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Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by yucky »

anaisbetts wrote: post #33
ultra_nick wrote: post #11

What is Kiwifarms?

It is a KKK-level hate site against LGBT people and particularly trans women, that actively seeks to terrorize them by doxxing them and their family members. Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre.

>Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre.

Saying something that is demonstrably false like this only makes the argument against them look worse. It has the opposite effect you're going for.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

#162

Post by sascha_sl »

rvz wrote: post #157
sascha_sl wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why are they still hosting several sites that people complain about it all the time too. Cloudflare loves providing services to Nazis as long as they don't get themselves associated with mass shootings too often in the same small time window (8chan) or your Infosec hire turns out to be associated with some of the Nazis who claim they have inside help to stay on Cloudflare. (Daily Stormer) Infowars is literally o…

So is Gab, and they are also using Cloudflare. They also have their own ASN and have been sitting on Hurricane Electric (HE) for years despite all the calls to 'deplatform' them, which like I expected Kiwifarms to move to Epik for their domain, they will also move to HE or elsewhere. I guess Gab is not villain of the month to be deplatformed today.

Gab is simply irrelevant in the big picture.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by lizthegrey »

sonoriyuu wrote: post #93
d_e_solomon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly everyone who attacks Moon supposedly committed sexual assault and is a groomer or some other slanderous attack. Moon should put up or shut up.

The sexual assault claim from Moon is actually based on a story from a Zurich Google employee associated with Liz Fong-Jones that accused her of "violating consent" due to dog hair. It's a story Liz posted herself on Twitter back then and KF picked up with archives as proof, so it's not completely made up because Moon wanted to. Means he can put up (if his site was actually online). But stuff like this clearly shows…

He has the ability to update the HTML on the page to be more specific if he so chooses, he doesn't need the entire forum backend to do so.

I'm waiting...

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

#164

Post by insanitybit »

yucky wrote: post #152
insanitybit wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malicious domains, users of email services for spam purposes, etc, get removed by their hosts all the time. That's simply a fact, I have made or been involved with the process as I work in security. There are some providers that are more cooperative than others, and certainly lists like Safe Browsing exists as well to deal with that + they can be more false positive tolerant. My point is that these providers make cho…

>Malicious domains, users of email services for spam purposes, etc, get removed by their hosts all the time. That's simply a fact, I have made or been involved with the process as I work in security. Yes because it's illegal. Deadnaming a transperson might be mean but it's not illegal. If there are countries where it is illegal, then they could just do like China does to "protect people from offensive material" by ba…

> Yes because it's illegal.

What exactly is illegal? None of what I have described goes through a legal process, there is no official judge saying "yep, that's spam" or "yep, that's malware". In general things are very murky with regards to what the legality around malware is - if it has not been used to access another system maliciously you're really going to have to stretch the CFAA (partly why the CFAA is so vague).

Beyond that, just because something is not legally required does not mean that it's wrong to do it, so I don't see why the distinction even matters.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

#165

Post by insanitybit »

luckylion wrote: post #151
insanitybit wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malicious domains, users of email services for spam purposes, etc, get removed by their hosts all the time. That's simply a fact, I have made or been involved with the process as I work in security. There are some providers that are more cooperative than others, and certainly lists like Safe Browsing exists as well to deal with that + they can be more false positive tolerant. My point is that these providers make cho…

I've previously reported phishing and scams to sendgrid, aws and azure. Neither took the domains down.

I'm not sure what your anecdote is supposed to contribute. Are you trying to say that because of your experience you don't believe that hosting providers take malicious content down? That doesn't even seem worth responding to, if so, especially as I have given anecdotes to the contrary.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by [deleted] »

yucky wrote: post #161
anaisbetts wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a KKK-level hate site against LGBT people and particularly trans women, that actively seeks to terrorize them by doxxing them and their family members. Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre.

>Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre. Saying something that is demonstrably false like this only makes the argument against them look worse. It has the opposite effect you're going for.

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Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

#167

Post by DarkByte8 »

yucky wrote: post #161
anaisbetts wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a KKK-level hate site against LGBT people and particularly trans women, that actively seeks to terrorize them by doxxing them and their family members. Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre.

>Several suicides have been attributed directly to their actions, as well as the Christchurch massacre. Saying something that is demonstrably false like this only makes the argument against them look worse. It has the opposite effect you're going for.

Unfortunately people won't be bothered to check that the suicides are not cased by kiwifarms, they will just go with it and there are plenty of people to just repeat the lie until it becomes the truth.

Re: Kiwifarms Dropped by Their ISP

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Post by yucky »

insanitybit wrote: post #164
yucky wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Malicious domains, users of email services for spam purposes, etc, get removed by their hosts all the time. That's simply a fact, I have made or been involved with the process as I work in security. Yes because it's illegal. Deadnaming a transperson might be mean but it's not illegal. If there are countries where it is illegal, then they could just do like China does to "protect people from offensive material" by ba…

> Yes because it's illegal. What exactly is illegal? None of what I have described goes through a legal process, there is no official judge saying "yep, that's spam" or "yep, that's malware". In general things are very murky with regards to what the legality around malware is - if it has not been used to access another system maliciously you're really going to have to stretch the CFAA (partly why the CFAA is so vague…

>just because something is not legally required does not mean that it's wrong to do it, so I don't see why the distinction even matters.

Define "wrong" though. That's the problem, and why the distinction matters.

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