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Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by yamtaddle »

wlesieutre wrote: post #114
smoldesu wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't really know who Apple is hoping to sell these to. My ex-boyfriend bought one of the earlier iPad Pros with some grand ambitions, but he mostly ended up using it for Netflix, Twitter and emails. I think that totally legitimizes the existence of the smaller/cheaper models, but who is Apple selling these to in the long-term? Even the mediocre Surface Pro has a decent software experience that explains why s…

I have a 2018 model and love the 12.9" screen size for media, note taking, reading, sketching, etc. That said if they made a cheaper version with a 12.9" screen I would have bought that instead. I don't do anything that needs a desktop class processor. Artists do love the performance though, people use them for video editing or large image editing with lots of layers. Edit to add - 12.9" is also helpful for using two…

> That said if they made a cheaper version with a 12.9" screen I would have bought that instead. I don't do anything that needs a desktop class processor.

This right here. I literally only buy them for the screen size, and because Android tablets are... really bad and largely have much worse (for my purposes) software available, even if I could find one in that size.

I never really push the processor or graphics capabilities.

The screen size is incredible for: PDF reading, drawing and art generally, a little video editing maybe, sheet music display and other music purposes, comic book reading, as a portable second screen for a Macbook (it's a very similar size to a 13" Macbook screen), portable SSH terminal, remote desktop, and yeah, watching Netflix or whatever.

But I could easily get by with the brains of a much lower-end model. However, I expect the larger, higher-quality (for faster refresh for drawing and such) screen is a big chunk of their cost to manufacture it, so I'm not sure how much cheaper such a thing would really be.

I truly don't even know what I might do with one that'd really use all that horsepower. Gaming I guess? But I don't like my games vanishing or breaking when I update an OS, so I don't game on iOS very much. Pinball and (now that it's been re-released, finally) Angry Birds. That's about it.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by jayd16 »

jessriedel wrote: post #89
drewg123 wrote: post #16

As far as I know, this is the first Apple hardware to support Wifi 6E, which is something I've been waiting on for what feels like forever. I'm hoping the rumored new laptops will also support 6E. For those that don't know, Wifi-6E uses the 6Ghz band, and I anticipate it will be very helpful in crowded residential environments where lots of Wifi APs are all landing on the same few 2.4 and 5Ghz channels.

I can't understand the emphasis on more bandwidth. The pain with wifi is overwhelmingly dominated by the slowness establishing a connection (why does it take more than a second?!), with connection reliability and latency (for video calls) also being important. "Wifi 7: 10 Terrabyte/sec transfer speeds" *yawn* "Wifi 7: Connects in 500 ms, latency 20 ms, tri-band fallover for 5-nines reliability" *Opens checkbook*

Wifi is still time sliced, right? More bandwidth means more idle time means lower latency, no?

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by lupire »

uses wrote: post #33

Pretty surprised they left the front camera on the side of the device. I can't figure out why they would think that makes sense after using it even once. It's so awkward trying to do a meeting and I have this weird camera angle coming from the corner of my face. The alternative is portrait orientation, which puts the camera really far from the center of the screen - feels like it's coming from above or below my face…

You are too close to the camera. (Probably because iOS doesn't have good crop and zoom)

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by diebeforei485 »

smoldesu wrote: post #35
Veliladon wrote: post #6

Still can't believe the M2 chip is hobbled with Stage Manager. Dear Apple, I want my iPad to become a Finder based full-fat macOS when it's on the Magic Keyboard and I want it to be Springboard when I take it off the Magic Keyboard. Make it happen already.

Yeah, I don't really know who Apple is hoping to sell these to. My ex-boyfriend bought one of the earlier iPad Pros with some grand ambitions, but he mostly ended up using it for Netflix, Twitter and emails. I think that totally legitimizes the existence of the smaller/cheaper models, but who is Apple selling these to in the long-term? Even the mediocre Surface Pro has a decent software experience that explains why s…

The miniLED display on the 12.9" is great.

I know that iPads are used in the architecture/construction industry for example. AutoCAD has some products that came out of the PlanGrid acquisition.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by smoldesu »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #112
stinos wrote: post #86

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Could be, but at what point will they stop, i.e. how long before the iPad becomes the Macbook Air? In any case: if they don't stop then I'd think one of those would have to go, makes little sense keeping 2 product lines which are like almost the same?

> if they don't stop then I'd think one of those would have to go, makes little sense keeping 2 product lines which are like almost the same? I feel like this is exactly what they want. My only question is how much i'll be able to modify my laptop long term. Ie i run Nixpkgs (ie the package system from NixOS) on my laptop. The day i can't modify my Mac OS to my liking is the day i stop buying their laptops. I do thin…

> The day i can't modify my Mac OS to my liking is the day i stop buying their laptops.

That was my mentality too. For me, the cutoff came when Catalina dropped (and I couldn't run 32-bit libraries, even after modding MacOS). Nix was the last thing keeping my sanity together when I last used MacOS. When they pull the plug on that, it's going to be a sad day...

> I do think there's a market for people who want laptops that have the lockdown of phones. Where less things can go wrong because you can't change a lot.

I agree. That's a software problem though, not a hardware problem. Much like the situation on iPhone, Apple could easily offer a "pro mode" or "developer mode" that offers extended functionality while disabling certain high-security features.

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Post by herpderperator »

bombcar wrote: post #109
jessriedel wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't understand the emphasis on more bandwidth. The pain with wifi is overwhelmingly dominated by the slowness establishing a connection (why does it take more than a second?!), with connection reliability and latency (for video calls) also being important. "Wifi 7: 10 Terrabyte/sec transfer speeds" *yawn* "Wifi 7: Connects in 500 ms, latency 20 ms, tri-band fallover for 5-nines reliability" *Opens checkbook*

All I want is wireless devices that can be connected to my 2.4GHz and 5Gz network at the same time with the same IP .

Dual-band (one device using both 2.4GHz and 5GHz) has existed for over a decade.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by drcongo »

Would have bought it if it had a headphone jack. As it is, there's nothing here to get excited about over my M1 Pro.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by smoldesu »

garyfirestorm wrote: post #159
smoldesu wrote: post #134

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That's what I don't really understand, though. Even the artists and video editors who use these devices aren't actually leveraging all of the power in the machine. Photo editors and artists are mostly still constrained by single-core performance, and video editors are mostly just leveraging the GPU's video accelerators. The "full power" of the M1 or M2 doesn't even make sense for these pro customers. That's why I sti…

I think you are underestimating the power of pencil combined with Letter sized screen for people who read research papers, take notes and need entertainment when traveling - potentially entire higher ed students. I just bought an M1 iPad Pro last week and I am impressed with how easy it is to navigate and annotate pdf documents

I don't think I do. I used to own a Surface Pro with their Surface Pen, basically the same experience and I used it for everything from reading manuals to flipping comic book pages. It was great, but none of it's greatness was predicated by "the power" of it's chip. The iPad Pro would be equally as attractive if it used the base-model chip and ditched the LIDAR nonsense, and it would be cheaper.

Re: iPad Pro M2

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Post by srvmshr »

null_object wrote: post #62

Pretty much everyone here knocking the iPad Pros for being consumption-only passive entertainment devices. But I guess the artists, musicians, video-editors and photographers using them professionally would disagree, if they ever came here.

I use the LiDAR of the iPad Pro to capture full schematic of room in 3D to prepare spatial datasets.

It isn't perfect. The sampling rate of iPad Pro is still lower than professional 3D cameras, but I can't complain when they cost a fraction of the latter. 3DScanner and similar apps do a great job at stitching the volumetric data on the fly & rendering on iPad itself (before I transfer).

We use these data to do some inference via 3D computer vision projects for clients

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