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Re: How to succeed at Meta

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> This is how large companies operate once they surpass the innovation phase I just call that the "monopoly phase." There is no natural post-innovation phase, you either have to compete for business, or you don't.

I mean more charitably it's the "maintenance" phase except that our fucked up economic system punishes companies that are happy at their current size and so must do ever more ridiculous or desperate things to make the numbers keep going up. A bakery that's been happily serving its community for 25 years isn't a monopoly just because it doesn't feel pressure to grow.

> except that our fucked up economic system

A company decides whether it's publicly traded or not. It also decides whether it makes an offer to buy the competition or not. I think people forget just how many entities Google has purchased over the years, and how often the FTC has just let them get away with it.

> A bakery that's been happily serving its community for 25 years isn't a monopoly just because it doesn't feel pressure to grow.

Are we really going to compare a single locally owned bakery with a naturally limited consumer market to a corporation like Google?

Wouldn't you agree that bakery would be a monopoly if it let it's standards slip for a few years, and an ex-employee of that bakery opened a new shop, and the existing bakery just decided to buy them out and then close their business instead of starting to compete with them for customers?

Now multiply that by like 250 times. I hardly think it's uncharitable to call this "strategy" out for what it is.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Those are income numbers for specialists (cf. GP's comment "Unless they specialize") The time to acquire a fellowship seems to be a couple years. During that the time it takes for a doctor to go through med school, residency and specialist training (after which they would have the income numbers you cited), the FAANG careerist would probably have risen through the ranks and have comparable income numbers anyway.

Again, you are just mistaken - I'm not sure if this is a tech industry coping mechanism, or what. General practitioners are in the above dataset, and make an amount comparable to an L5 Google SWE. If you want to make an argument that the overall career arc of a software engineer is better off than that of a physician, then that's a very different statement than GP made. (My personal view - strictly from a monetary st…

> over the course of a ~40 year career

To me this is an important difference between these two careers. Ageism is a thing in tech and in corporations in general. Of course, a few winners can climb the ladder and have a lucrative corporate career or earn enough money to retire early. But lots of SWEs get pushed out in their 50s or don't manage to work in fast pace / high pay environments for decades.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Perhaps the Gervias Principle can show insights into the script here.

Per Rao's analysis, the poster isn't the sociopath (Rao's term) that they make themselves out to be. I'd say they would fit better as one of the clueless (Rao's term, again); thinking that they are making an impact and gaming the system. They seem, per my reading of Rao, to just be mercilessly hitting metrics that their sociopath bosses have set out; being the nice little carbon control rods in the nuclear reactor of capitalism. To Zuck, this is great news (again, using Rao's lens)

Personally, it reads as tongue in cheek. But trying to use the lenses of the Gervais Principle is always a dark and fun little exercise.

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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I just resigned last week having worked at a big company for 18 years. They dangled sr. director title, but it was just not worth it in the end. I did so without any job lined up. I wanted a break. My former colleagues are reaching out to see if I'd be interested in their gigs. But they're all large companies, and all large companies have the same big company bullshit. I do think smaller paycheck and smaller company…

Left what I would consider a big company for a < 10 person startup. I couldn't be happier. I honestly don't care that I had to take a paycut for it.

That’s great. Frankly I have enough buffer that I want my next job to be interesting and fun even if it just pays half.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Blind is such a toxic place... I always come off shocked at how awful people are on there. Only focused on "TC", and nothing else.

Search "thank you blind." It's incredible how much additional TC has improved people's lives. They can cover their kids' tuition and take care of ailing parents. Even wellness programs at the better companies have helped people lose weight and avoid chronic illness. The advice to get there is toxic for a toxic world. This is why the hyper politically correct LinkedIn is so useless in comparison.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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post #156

This person is getting a lot of snarky responses, but all of this is relatively true at Amazon also and it was true when I was at Intel 10 years ago. This is how large companies operate once they surpass the innovation phase, so it should be no surprise to anyone that's actually worked in a FAANG and doesn't pound down the kool-aid. Interesting how there's comments on this person being concerned solely with "TC" as i…

Sounds stupid to you but I really have ethics. I will not work for a company like Facebook. And I don't throw Facebook in the same bucket as companies like Google, Microsoft. And sure Amazon and apple are more evil than the others but they are also so far away from Facebook.

What makes FB exceptionally bad? Jw.

For me, TikTok even though they probably don't hire SDEs like FB and there's prob enough people to fill those roles anyways.

I truly think its an awful invention. It's bad for the same reason I feel most social media is bad... just turned all up to 10. You thought people doom scrolling mindless posts in 2014 was bad? Here, have 10 second bits of unscrubbable nonsense for 5 hours a day.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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> If your manager's manager has more than six (maybe up to 8) direct reports, that's a bad sign. A bad sign of what? A bad sign that the company is too large to be innovating?

Span of control. As you get above that number of reports, the manager is splitting their attention to the point that hot/cold spots are inevitable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Span_of_control

So, many layers are bad, but large span is also. This means you are limiting both width and depth of the management tree, effectively limiting the total size of the workforce to ... a few hundred? That doesn't sound right.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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This person is getting a lot of snarky responses, but all of this is relatively true at Amazon also and it was true when I was at Intel 10 years ago. This is how large companies operate once they surpass the innovation phase, so it should be no surprise to anyone that's actually worked in a FAANG and doesn't pound down the kool-aid. Interesting how there's comments on this person being concerned solely with "TC" as i…

> There's nothing wrong in working at a FAANG for the money Sure, if you believe that making more money is the only thing that matters in this world. If you take this logic to its extreme you can justify anything if it makes you rich. You're simultaneously criticizing a system while defending your participation in it. There are lots of things wrong with working at a FAANG for the money. If you don't like how Amazon t…

You're touching on a very complex topic spanning across areas of social life, ethics and morality, economy, family, etc. Lumping that all into "well they're evil and if you work for them so are you" is an easy out. Believe me, I know where you're coming from, but that's not how it is in the real world. It should be, but it's not.

There are too many variables and that line between right and wrong is not well-defined in this matter. Using an extreme version of your logic, you should strip yourself of all currency and material possessions. Yet you're on here, possibly even while you're supposed to be working. Do you think the companies hosting ycombinator.com are clean? Maybe they're using AWS resources. You're using devices from those very companies you despise right? You're probably using electricity from a power company that is exploiting people in some way or maybe you bought solar panels from a company that exploited people to fabricate those panels. You see, that moral line can be shifted all over the place.

I grew up on food-stamps and I was in debt for a very very long time in my adult life. Poverty can be very traumatic (and very motivating to never go into it again). Money is certainly not the only thing that matters in this world and that's not what I said in my post. It is very important in living a sustainable life in America (and elsewhere). A single ER visit can ruin your life-savings for example. I work for a FAANG because I'm uncertain about the future and that scares the hell out of me. I have a family. I have several chronic medical problems. There's a realistic possibility I might be too disabled to work next year or the following year. Layoffs are starting to ramp up. I don't want that money, I need it to ensure my family can survive the problems that are surely to come in the not too distant future. I don't want them to endure the hell that I went through. I don't think I can bare it mentally. So yeah, I'm working at a FAANG for the "TC". I don't give a shit about innovating some new UI library or whatever else people think is cool in tech. I'm not even sure I have that ability if we're being honest. Even if I did, this whole thread is about a post that highlights exactly why it's hard to do that now. I work here so I can survive and that's it.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Span of control. As you get above that number of reports, the manager is splitting their attention to the point that hot/cold spots are inevitable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Span_of_control

So, many layers are bad, but large span is also. This means you are limiting both width and depth of the management tree, effectively limiting the total size of the workforce to ... a few hundred? That doesn't sound right.

> That doesn't sound right.

IMHO, it's correct but that doesn't mean it's good or desirable that things tend to bog down in wider / deeper org structures. Maintaining high efficiency and effectiveness in large org structures is hard to do and that's why the exceptions are notable and worth studying.

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