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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by mmmlinux »

brokenkebab2 wrote: post #127
taylodl wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Facebook to do messaging? No thanks! Sure, when communicating with international friends I use WhatsApp because that appears to be what the rest of the world uses, but here in the States? No. We don't trust Zuckerberg. And yes, iMessage group chats are very much a thing here in the States and SMS group chats in general. And also yes, there's always that techie friend with an Android and makes your whole convers…

I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but you can trust Apple, or your mobile carrier?

Facebook's goal is to extract as much information from you as possible. Apple wants to sell you a new phone.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by sicp-enjoyer »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #157
chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118

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I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

Both are good reasons to avoid such toxic people. VC's especially.

I think courting VCs already involves sacrificing your pride and doing a song and dance. Why not do a small easy thing to help close the sale?

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by derac »

joecot wrote: post #131
4gotunameagain wrote: post #125

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It has nothing to do with "toxic femininity", it's classism. And no one's "banning" you from using this term, you're just getting downvoted for your performative "Cancel Culture" signalling.

This seems to be related to both gender roles and class. The culture around the male role in a diadic relationship is classist. I wouldn't use the term toxic femininity, but I think in spirit it has some merit. The complaining about what words you "can say" is annoying for sure.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by r12343a_19 »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #50
lifeformed wrote: post #24

No one here read the article, it has nothing to do with it being green but with it being low contrast.

To be fair, he could’ve cut to the chase sooner. Since it was a UI UX article, HN readers probably aren’t aware that it’s a contrast between fonts and background, not blue vs green or green vs dark green.

HN readers are aware about poor contrast. Eg, your comment (which seems tame) is downvoted and has some lovely light color on light background combo.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by criddell »

scatters wrote: post #92
ericmay wrote: post #81

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> You can just assume everyone has Whatsapp here, and just message them over that. Yea but that's a problem too.

WhatsApp doesn't have anywhere near the same lockin as Apple. You can run multiple messaging apps even on a low end android phone.

Is WhatsApp open? Are there alternative clients?

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by criddell »

adrr wrote: post #134
jeremy0x4a wrote: post #56

Whenever I see this iMessage/SMS, blue/green topic come up I descend into an internal debate that, as I get older, I am becoming increasingly familiar with. The debate is that one where I am forced to reconcile whether I am too far removed from popular culture to see how this is a real issue versus accepting that the issue is entirely contrived.

I would love to see a survey of mobile phone users to see if this matters to them. I’ll take a guess it doesn’t matter because Google would be flaunting the results. As for negative effects on kids. There’s more than just phones. Clothes, cars, vacations, social media posts, tutoring, sports. Maybe we should put everyone in uniforms, don’t allow kids drive to school, ban sports, and forbid them from talking about the…

It matters to me a little bit. A green bubble means the message is basically a postcard that the carrier can read. A blue bubble means the message is in an envelope that my carrier can’t read.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by drcongo »

This article is absolute nonsense from start to finish. If this was remotely true, they'd have done a side by side of a low contrast blue with good contrast green, but they didn't, because everyone would have seen exactly how wrong the article is.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by taylodl »

brokenkebab2 wrote: post #127
taylodl wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Facebook to do messaging? No thanks! Sure, when communicating with international friends I use WhatsApp because that appears to be what the rest of the world uses, but here in the States? No. We don't trust Zuckerberg. And yes, iMessage group chats are very much a thing here in the States and SMS group chats in general. And also yes, there's always that techie friend with an Android and makes your whole convers…

I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but you can trust Apple, or your mobile carrier?

Apple's iMessage is secured end-to-end, your mobile carrier can't see the message. As soon as the box goes green then any intermediary, including your mobile carrier and your friend's mobile carrier, can read the message and/or make it available to law enforcement.

In a U.S. court of law Apple has stood up to authority and pointed out they can't provide the messages requested as they're locked even to Apple. Facebook on the other hand has acquiesced to U.S. law enforcement. That tells me that even if Facebook has secured end-to-end messaging, which I don't think they've ever claimed, they have backdoors.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by nrvn »

I have just compared the “gross” bubble from the article with my “real” bubble. Made a screenshot of both and used the ios color picker.

“Gross”: #7EC170

Real from the bottom of the message reel: #65C466

Real from the top: #73E173

No issues with contrast in either case. Also keep in mind that those color hexes will slightly vary depending on where exactly you decide to pick since bubbles are filled with gradients.

Not sure where author gets his bubble from but in real life they look as “good” bubbles at the bottom of the screen that makes me think the article itself is gross.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by alfor »

I dislike most Apple software even if I like their hardware.

From Itune and podcast that always try to sell me something instead of just letting me use my library to mail or safari to iCloud.

Seems to me they are good at pushing the boundaries in hardware and integration, but the software make me run in the other direction.

Is there value in their software?

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