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Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by willcipriano »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #133
nordsieck wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally, I'm not a fan of permanent Scarlet Letters for .... I think I may go so far as to say anything . What's your opinion of the National Sex Offender Registry?

> What's your opinion of the National Sex Offender Registry? People are on it for simply peeing in public. And teenage minors in a relationship sending nudes to each other due to a lack of "Romeo and Juliet" laws. Not much is black & white.

I talked to a guy who was on a sex offender registry for "urination in public" at a bar one time. Sounded like a travisty of justice when he explained it that way. Talked to someone else about him afterwards and while yes he was "just peeing in public" he did so in the view of a few young girls who walked past his house on their way to school on multiple occasions and with a erection.

Knew another guy who did a few years in prison for "just a bag of weed", again that was true in a technical sense, he was on parole for a strong arm robbery and had the bag in plain view when he got pulled over.

I'm not saying nobody is ever innocent, but everyone I talk to claims to be and it never holds up.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by selfmodruntime »

wisnoskij wrote: post #114
selfmodruntime wrote: post #22

The fact that an athlete in a competitive sport was allowed to partake in an event even after admitting to cheating not only once, but twice, is outrageous in itself.

when they were 12.

One time when they were 17. Obviously the sanction at 12 wasn't bad enough. A barring for 5 years would've maybe helped him learn his lesson

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Post by jquantf »

mzs wrote: post #147
chesscom wrote: post #144

There is so much more to our report than what was focused on in the WSJ article. The full report will be shared shortly…

>Rensch had previously said that Chess-com had never shared a list of cheaters or the platform’s cheat detection algorithm with Carlsen. So who did chess.com share those with?

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Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by paxys »

ed-209 wrote: post #102

Serious question: why isnt online play excluded at this level of competition? Why not restrict these "pro" matches to regulated conditions as in any other pro competition? We dont generally place full trust in online job interviews so why lower the bar to "honor system" when it comes to the most cheat-friendly competition in the universe?

Because it takes a lot of time and money to set up an in-person tournament. A virtual one is basically free and will get a lot more participation from top players.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by mzs »

largepeepee wrote: post #153
mzs wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Rensch had previously said that Chess-com had never shared a list of cheaters or the platform’s cheat detection algorithm with Carlsen. So who did chess.com share those with?

And why would they ever share full details of confidential agreements? Ie, their secret sauce.

Cause they shared Dlugy's private emails last week? Cause they leaked this report to the WSJ before putting it on their site? Cause Rensch worded the non-denial denial specifically like that?

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Post by twelve40 »

andirk wrote: post #138
nordsieck wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally, I'm not a fan of permanent Scarlet Letters for .... I think I may go so far as to say anything . What's your opinion of the National Sex Offender Registry?

Is there a National Murder Registry?

yes in a way, it's called criminal record

also probably because people who commit murders and do the time are not always in a permanent urge to do more of that, unlike.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by buscoquadnary »

ed-209 wrote: post #102

Serious question: why isnt online play excluded at this level of competition? Why not restrict these "pro" matches to regulated conditions as in any other pro competition? We dont generally place full trust in online job interviews so why lower the bar to "honor system" when it comes to the most cheat-friendly competition in the universe?

Pandemic happened that's the big reason.

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by ehsankia »

ed-209 wrote: post #102

Serious question: why isnt online play excluded at this level of competition? Why not restrict these "pro" matches to regulated conditions as in any other pro competition? We dont generally place full trust in online job interviews so why lower the bar to "honor system" when it comes to the most cheat-friendly competition in the universe?

To be fair, what kicked out this whole saga was a real life match between him and Magnus Carlson. There are plenty of theories out there about how he could've cheated, some more absurd than others.

Also, there has been history of people cheating in IRL games by taking many bathroom breaks and looking up solutions while on break.

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Post by jsnell »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #41
bluecalm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3+2 is a lot of time to input the moves several times over and prepare coffee in the meantime. Seriously, it's not a slightest problem for a competent online blitz player. OTB cheating: there are many possible ways. The simplest one being having a script reading the moves from the live broadcast and feeding them to an engine and then sending the info to the player. Hans' strength magically decreased in the Sinquefiel…

> Hans' strength magically decreased in the Sinquefield cup once broadcast delay was introduced for example. So you discount a possibility that the controversy and allegations against him had at least some effect in him playing worse in the Sinquefield Cup? Anyway, there were studies out there that there were no statistical differences in his rating gains in tournaments broadcasted with delays and without it. Study b…

> Anyway, there were studies out there that there were no statistical differences in his rating gains in tournaments broadcasted with delays and without it.

It is exactly the opposite of what you claim: there is a massive statistical aberration in his performance of broadcast tournaments vs. non-broadcast. He is 200 Elo higher in the former.

https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=933597&sid=1fd7...

You're clearly very invested in this case. How can you possibly be getting the polarity of the evidence wrong?

Re: Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times

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Post by paxys »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #22

The fact that an athlete in a competitive sport was allowed to partake in an event even after admitting to cheating not only once, but twice, is outrageous in itself.

Is there a single sport in the world where a player will get a lifetime ban for admitting to cheating in the past? All major ones will let you compete even after being caught doping/fixing a half dozen times in your career. The bar is a lot lower than you think.
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