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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

aa-jv wrote: post #129
Sakos wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not outrage to point out that it's a war. It's not dramatic to state what it is, that it's a war. And if you think there's a diplomatic solution here possible only through "softer" language, then you haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years, or even just in the past year. We didn't fuck this up. Putin did. He wanted to start a war and he did. It had nothing to do with language used.

Why do you want to use more violent language about this war than is necessary? Whats your intention behind tone-policing people to be more violent in their language when discussing Russia's aggression? Nobody said it wasn't a war. The whole world knows its a war. The only ones clamouring to make it more of a war, are the ones who stand to profit from yet more, endless war. Is that your intent? If so, consider this: w…

> Why do you want to use more violent language about this war than is necessary?

Both sides of this discussion seem unnecessary and loaded. It’s obviously a war. That shouldn’t need to be said. But once said, it shouldn’t be so vigorously fought.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by DocTomoe »

varispeed wrote: post #29
DocTomoe wrote: post #19

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Ukraine will be fine, post-war, with Germany buying Russian gas that went through pipelines on Ukrainian soils, because they get paid transit fees. No transit fees necessary for Nord Stream.

Ukraine has undeveloped large gas reserves (mostly at the territory currently occupied by Russia), so they could potentially replace Russia in the future as a supplier.

At risk of being a massively unpopular opinion: Ukraine has a track record of being an unreliable trading entity against other European countries, to the point where it looks like they were actively stealing gas that was sold by Russia to e.g. Germany.[1]

Under these circumstances, I'd much rather avoid being dependant on Ukrainian gas and would prefer Russian one every day of the week.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dis... (definitely worth the read, gives some background information about why we see what we see in this russoukrainian war today)

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by lm28469 »

keewee7 wrote: post #157
lm28469 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

>Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia [Citation needed] The garbage Australian report that only looked at two hashtags (who even uses hashtags anymore?) doesn't count.

> [Citation needed]

Really ? How naive can you be ? It's a communication war as much as a regular war

It's never all black or all white, if you can't understand that I feel sorry for you. The reality is bad enough, we don't need to swallow every bit of info coming out of Ukraine.

If you believe Russian tanks are filled with egg cartons because you saw a blurry pic on twitter I don't even know what to tell you. Once again, russia's army is rotten enough that you don't have to make up lies to make it look bad, there are dozens of reports that are _true_ and equally bad

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by keewee7 »

lm28469 wrote: post #163
keewee7 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia [Citation needed] The garbage Australian report that only looked at two hashtags (who even uses hashtags anymore?) doesn't count.

> [Citation needed] Really ? How naive can you be ? It's a communication war as much as a regular war It's never all black or all white, if you can't understand that I feel sorry for you. The reality is bad enough, we don't need to swallow every bit of info coming out of Ukraine. If you believe Russian tanks are filled with egg cartons because you saw a blurry pic on twitter I don't even know what to tell you. Once a…

I was addressing your claim that Ukraine is "infinitely better" at propaganda than Russia.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by nateburke »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #9

Auric Goldfinger: Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action." -- Ian Fleming

In music:

One note can show good sound.

Two notes can show good intonation.

3 notes can show a sense of rhythm.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by aa-jv »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161
aa-jv wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want to use more violent language about this war than is necessary? Whats your intention behind tone-policing people to be more violent in their language when discussing Russia's aggression? Nobody said it wasn't a war. The whole world knows its a war. The only ones clamouring to make it more of a war, are the ones who stand to profit from yet more, endless war. Is that your intent? If so, consider this: w…

> Why do you want to use more violent language about this war than is necessary? Both sides of this discussion seem unnecessary and loaded. It’s obviously a war. That shouldn’t need to be said. But once said, it shouldn’t be so vigorously fought.

Where is the claim being made that it isn't a war?

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

stackola wrote: post #152
fabian2k wrote: post #149

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So what's the alternative, don't support Ukraine and let Russia finish their invasion? Arming the defender against an illegal aggression is not aggression itself.

We aren't even talking about arming anyone, we were talking about sabotage.

> we were talking about sabotage

This is a message, a fuckup or an accident. What it is not is a successful covert operation by a competent intelligence agency.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by lm28469 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #155
lm28469 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

> these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there Egg cartons in place of tank reactive armour may be on a schematic. That makes it no less useless. To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

- they're not egg cartons

- what do you know about russian tank armor ?

> To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

Yes, but where did I say the opposite ? There are dozens of reports showing it's running on fumes, there is no need to ridicule ourselves by propagating factually wrong infos

Saying "X fact" about russia is wrong doesn't mean someone supports their action. We all know their army is shit and any semblance of proper troops they had died in the first few weeks of the invasion

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

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Post by stackola »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #167
stackola wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We aren't even talking about arming anyone, we were talking about sabotage.

> we were talking about sabotage This is a message, a fuckup or an accident. What it is not is a successful covert operation by a competent intelligence agency.

... is what the intelligence agency would say.
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