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Train Travel in the UK: A Foreigner’s Perspective

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One of the problems with British railways is that they think bank holidays are a great time to do engineering works, close lines and cause confusion and chaos. This is simply madness. On Intercity routes they are the absolute busiest days. They are populated by people who don't go on trains very often so they won't be familiar with alternative routes. People can't go any other time so can't alter their journeys to compensate. It also costs loads more money to hire people to do the work that at other times of the year.

If they closed routes during normal times, people who take the train regularly could see advanced notice saying "the train won't be available on xx days next month, please plan accordingly" and they could plan to e.g. work from home that day, take the car or a Taxi to another station and catch a train from there, find a bus or coach service, or take the Rail Replacement bus, but allowing the extra time it would take. They could be compensated with extra time on their season tickets and could appreciate the improvements in service.

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I came here to say something of this sort too. I have experience trying to buy international train tickets around Europe, and it's very often a big mess. Prices are different on different websites, they won't sell you regional trains, etc. The EU should intervene and make it easier.

> The EU should intervene and make it easier. They're about to. National train operators were mandated to find a solution to homogenize booking but it's getting nowhere.

Thank you, do you have a link with more info on the plan?

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> The EU should intervene and make it easier. They're about to. National train operators were mandated to find a solution to homogenize booking but it's getting nowhere.

Thank you, do you have a link with more info on the plan?

Here's some info on the action plan : https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news/action-plan-boost-passen...

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Is that still a thing? I never saw any oshiya when I was there 5 years ago.

It was a thing before COVID in Tokyo. Don’t know about now. The point I’m trying to make is that this thing NEVER happens in London. Train pushers don’t exist, so even if it’s not an everyday thing in Tokyo anymore I can hardly believe that anyone would say “I prefer the rush hour in Tokyo”, to which my previous post was the response to :)

Even if the trains in Tokyo are more packed (debatable, but I'll concede it for now), there is more to commuting than that. The reliability of the service, the cleanliness or the stations and carriages, the (lack of) pushing and shoving on and on the way to the platform, the temperature and ventilation of the stations and carriages etc. Tokyo wins in all these measurement.

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Wait, wait- Any rule you can spell in a few words or a link?

Stand on the right on escalators, let people off of the carriages before you barge on, don't stop suddenly without checking who's about to walk into you, don't run into tube trains as the doors are closing only to get stuck and hold up the train, DON'T HOLD THE DOORS OPEN, go up and down stairs on the left, corridors etc, stay on the left and don't fuck around at the barriers. Have your card ready, your contactless r…

That's a great summary!

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It was a thing before COVID in Tokyo. Don’t know about now. The point I’m trying to make is that this thing NEVER happens in London. Train pushers don’t exist, so even if it’s not an everyday thing in Tokyo anymore I can hardly believe that anyone would say “I prefer the rush hour in Tokyo”, to which my previous post was the response to :)

Even if the trains in Tokyo are more packed (debatable, but I'll concede it for now), there is more to commuting than that. The reliability of the service, the cleanliness or the stations and carriages, the (lack of) pushing and shoving on and on the way to the platform, the temperature and ventilation of the stations and carriages etc. Tokyo wins in all these measurement.

Fair enough. Overall I agree, the train system in Japan is heaven. It's almost unfair to compare them with other train systems in the world.

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> British people love to complain about the state of their railway Because they invented railways, and then stopped investing in them. HS2 is the first new line of rail north of London in like 150 years.

cough Tweedbank: https://www.scotrail.co.uk/scotland-by-rail/great-scenic-rai...

Which unlike HS2 is actually open and running. Unfortunately to get it built they limited it to single-track, and run short trains on it, so inevitably it was overcrowded at peak times from day 1.

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Having spent the past ~10 years living in London, I disagree. Rush hour Tokyo trains were a dream, people are polite and queue, but they queue so that they're not in the way, the carriages are surprisingly head-roomy for 6'4 me, unlike the shit show of the central line, they're cooled properly, like the circle/district and the stations were almost universally clean and spacious unlike our tube platforms which are oft…

The tube is pretty bad. Many lines have grime floating in the air that deposits on skin & clothing and turns your snot black. Often a very long walk pavement to platform. Frequent delays from suicide attempts because its old so no track doors and the designs of stations are depressing. Overworked and underpaid staff.

> the designs of stations are depressing

Surely this is subjective? The station designs by Leslie Green and Charles Holden in particular are highly regarded.

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Wait, wait- Any rule you can spell in a few words or a link?

- Stand on the right of escalators - Have your ticket/oyster/card ready BEFORE getting to the gates (and move to the side and out of the way if you need to take time to find it) - Move inside the carriages - Don't start conversations with commuters (especially during morning rush hour) - Take your rucksack off and put it by your feet if it's crowded - Don't walk 3+ abreast - Don't run for the train and especially don…

Thanks!

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As someone with significant experience of using the rail networks in both the UK and Spain, I strongly agree with the last point regarding the hybrid reservation model. In addition, there's one further point which I don't think he mentions: the fact that in the UK you can buy a ticket at any station to go to any arbitrary station A from any arbitrary station B (notwithstanding the complexity of determining the best p…

Frankly, that pales to what we have here in The Netherlands. A single OV-chipkaart swipe and you can take an NS train to wherever you want without needing to reserve seats and pre-book tickets. When I was in UK I didn't understand why the need for so much complexity when they could make it work like London metro (swipe in/out with a card). Needless to say I am not a fan of the UK system. edit: grammar

The Netherlands is a small country though. Reservations are not needed because you're expected to stand if the train is fully occupied. Travel journey is rarely longer than an hour.

The Dutch railway system is more like a giant metro/light rail. Trains between the major cities have a high frequency of every 10 minutes.

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