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Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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US houses can draw 166 KW (or half that if older 100amp service) but you’d probably be raided for running a grow op.

I think you've got your units mixed up. 100A @ 120V = 12kW. Assuming the newer homes are 200A, that would be 24kW. 166kW seems ... unreasonable, especially over 120V, that's like 1400A. Toasty.

Ah I found 200 amps at 220 threephase which is still a bit more than most houses.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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post #159

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US houses can draw 166 KW (or half that if older 100amp service) but you’d probably be raided for running a grow op.

I think you've got your units mixed up. 100A @ 120V = 12kW. Assuming the newer homes are 200A, that would be 24kW. 166kW seems ... unreasonable, especially over 120V, that's like 1400A. Toasty.

US homes are measured at 240 volts. 100 amp would be on each of the 120v legs.

High power US home is 200 amp times 240 volts. More typical homes are 100 amp or 150 amp.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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I am happy I got solar earlier this year. I thought it would be very expensive but we are very frugal with energy and it only was 7k euro to go off grid. During the day we can run anything (tons of sun so washing, dish washing, etc etc), during the night less so but we go to bed early (21:00) and get up at 5.

Solar installers here in the UK have literal years of backlog and are either not returning calls or quoting installation dates in 2024.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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There are currently no European sanctions against Russian gas. Nobody is very happy about it, but Europe would still buy that gas if the pipelines were open.

Multiple gas pipelines from Russia are closed because European governments refuse to allow them to run. That's gas sanctions, why do you argue otherwise? For example Germany refuses to open Nord Stream 2, and Nord Stream 1 is broken due to sanctions on equipment repair - the turbines are made by Siemens and several are sitting in UK factories unable to be re-exported back due to sanctions. Although the troubles with…

The key thing to remember is that Russia reduced the gas supply to Europe already one year ago. Way before they invaded Ukraine, and therefor before any of the recent sanctions.

It is assumed that Russia sent a warning message to EU countries not to interfere. Fortunately, most EU countries recognized that Russia was no longer a reliable supplier. And imposed sanctions, delivered weapons anyhow.

Russia thought they could threaten their most important customers. The problem Russia now has, it that there is hardly any capacity to sell gas to other countries. Building pipelines will take many years and will have to happen without western technology (I'm sure Russia would like China to own their pipelines). Or Russia has to build more LNG terminals, but that is also not ideal. And ship from western countries probably won't go there.

Of course, the downside of relying to much on Russian gas is that EU countries now have to deal with an enormous energy shortage.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Did you have to go through a lot of bureaucracy to get the whole thing installed?

No, because I am not connected to the grid. If I wanted to be, it’s a big hassle.

This is the key. Disconnected from the grid makes everything simpler and cheaper.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

> Peoples' homes not getting electricity will be the last resort and unlikely as large industries will be asked first to stop producing and take the government money.

Interesting. Here in Finland the plan is to target domestic use first if the push comes to shove, to keep the industry up and running.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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> They also put out a plan which starts with asking people to use less electricity to worst case which would be planned 4 hour rolling blackouts. Time to buy some powerbanks

Any particular one to recommend?

An EV is a pretty good powerbank if one needs a car anyway.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Us Europeans can still look at Texas, if we want to know how it is properly done, can't we?

Saying the equivalent of "no u" when no one else even brought up the USA is weird but I guess typically european way to deflect criticism . Not that comparing a regional blackout due to exceptional weather conditions, to a continent wide energy shortage cause by policy that has been going on for more than a year now makes any sense. (Even quebec, which is very used to extreme winters, lost electricity for nearly a mo…

> but I guess typically european way to deflect criticism

It'd be great if you didn't lower yourself to name calling as well. (Note: I don't much like the comment you're responding to, but let's be civil here)

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Us Europeans can still look at Texas, if we want to know how it is properly done, can't we?

This is more similar to California than Texas. Europe is not facing a shortage of energy but a shortage of generation and transmission capacity in times of peak demand. Luckily, as we know from California, there are plenty of responsible people in the society. When there is a risk of shortage and blackouts, many people will voluntarily lower their power consumption for a while. Also, because this is about peak demand…

Structurally, the reason Germany has so many coal plants compared to gas is that coal was third cheapest on the marlets, right aftet wind and PV. That priced gas out of the market, simpky because gas was more expensive than coal and CO2 certificates to cheap to compensate.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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We need more nuclear power plants and we need them yesterday, there is no other mid term solution for the ongoing/coming energy crisis. The problem is that replacing old nuclear power plants (or building new ones) takes many years, time we don’t have… Let’s see how this situation evolves.

Yeah... about that. I was completely pro-nuclear until very recently, when I learnt that:

- the summer droughts caused nuclear reactors to stop due to the lack of water

- russia provides ~40% of ALL nuclear fuel

- even France is getting their from Kazahstan

So in light of these: more solar and wind, combined with possibly metan generation to store it as per https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2022/07/22/were-going-to-...

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