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We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

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Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

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The HGX A100 solves this problem: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/introducing-hgx-a100-most-... Basically we need to move away from slots!

I'd rather have a dedicated socket on the motherboard where I can just slap in a GPU chip and use whatever RAM I have soldered onto the mobo around the GPU socket.

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A backplane and a bunch of additional connectors add cost that the PC market doesn't want to pay.

checks features of motherboard ... additional connectors, yep... PCIe backplane, yep... Having bought both... it is definitely costs they don't want to pay, but not the cost of those features . It's more like industrial grade PSUs and redundancy that get mandated by various specifications and end up reducing the market size which further racks up costs.

PCs could have their own backplane standard that's higher-volume and doesn't require industrial-grade anything, but it would still be too expensive. They sweat every yuan.

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Every time I see the sizes of GPUs increase, I'm reminded of this from over 2 decades ago: https://vgamuseum.ru/wp-content/gallery/bitching-fast/bitchi...

This has to have been before every graphic card advertisement included a 3D rendering a scanty-clad heroine.

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Every time I see the sizes of GPUs increase, I'm reminded of this from over 2 decades ago: https://vgamuseum.ru/wp-content/gallery/bitching-fast/bitchi...

yeah, but most of the weight on the new cards is just heat management stuff like heat pipes fans and heat-blocks/sinks.

That card is huge, but I bet it's a fair bit lighter than most of the gaming sector cards now.

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> Should we have GPU VRAM slots alongside CPU RAM slots? Is that even possible? I chuckled a little at this because I used to wonder the same thing until I had to actually bring up a GDDR6 interface. Basically the reason GDDR6 is able to run so much faster is because we assume that everything is soldered down, and not socketed/slotted. Back when I worked for a GPU company, I occasionally had conversations with co-wor…

The NUC Extreme line is basically that, which IMO is a really good form factor.

Memory and nvme storage are dense enough to make anything larger obsolete for the practical needs of most users. Emphasis on ‘practical’, not strictly ‘affordable’.

The only advantages of larger form factors are the ability to add cheaper storage, additional PCI-e cards, and aftermarket cosmetic changes such as lighting. IMO, each of these needs represent specialist use cases.

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What's wrong with the NVidia 1630 or 1660, or AMD 6400, or Intel Arc 380?

Dual slot, massive fans, and only the Arc isn't extra long, from the pictures I see. I guess we have different ideas of big. Edit: Perhaps I use the term incorrectly, I mean they take up two case slots even if only a single pcie slot.

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6400-11315-01-20g/...

Single slot, half-profile, small fan, shorter than ATX / mATX?

This is a mini-card that'd fit in an ITX case (170mm)...

Re: We Need New Motherboards Before GPUs Collapse Under Their Own Gravity

#170
This is not a new problem, back in the late 80s I worked for a Mac graphics card developer ... We made some of the first 24bit accelerated graphics cards.

Our first was just an existing card with a small daughter card with pals an sram on it, it was so easy that we got our own logos put on many of the chips to put the competition off the scent, we designed that one in days and got it to market in weeks.

We immediately started on 2 more designs. The next was all FPGA, it was as big a nubus card as one could build, it pulled too much power, and tilted under it's own weight out of the bus socket (Mac's didn't use screws to hold cards in place, that happened when you closed the chassis). We got it out the door about the point that the competition beat the first board's performance.

The final card was built with custom silicon, designed backwards from "how fast can we possibly make the vrams go if we use all the tricks?", In this case we essentially bet the company on whether a new ~200 pin plastic packaging technology was viable. This design really soaked the competition.

In those days big monitors didn't work on just any card so if you owned the high end graphics card biz you owned the high end monitor biz too ... The 3 card play above was worth more than $120m

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