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'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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But sedentary people are the target audience for this exercise. Athletes worry about having enough energy during their exercise. When many people in developed countries are obese or overweight, every technique helps, especially something for those who don't like to sweat...

> Athletes worry about having enough energy during their exercise. Ironically, I'm a sedentary person who doesn't have enough energy to do 10 stations at the gym. If I do back & legs I'm pretty much done for the day. While I was reading the article, I realized that my need for optimizing for efficient blood sugar use is different than the many who would rather waste it.

View it as training and not exercise.

You start minimally and slow, far below exertion capacity, rest a few days, and do similar stuff with slightly more intensity (resistance) or volume (number of reps). There's an art/science to it, and barring health handicaps it's essentially a universal system the body evolved to do.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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For all the comments wondering what the particular movement and equipment is, see pages 5 and 6 of the supplementary materials: https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S25890042220114... The equipment is an electromyography system with realtime display. It measures the muscle contraction and is displayed to the subject so they can learn to recognize the movement that properly activates the muscle. Contrary to th…

if y'all want a little broscience: the soleus may be a good choice because advice is generally that it's best worked with sitting vs. standing calf raises. so kinda interesting that they came to this muscle in particular.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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> Athletes worry about having enough energy during their exercise. Ironically, I'm a sedentary person who doesn't have enough energy to do 10 stations at the gym. If I do back & legs I'm pretty much done for the day. While I was reading the article, I realized that my need for optimizing for efficient blood sugar use is different than the many who would rather waste it.

If you do back and legs you should be done for the day. Split your posterior chain. :)

if you do legs you should be done for the day... otherwise not hitting legs hard enough :)

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Oh, you're right. For some reason I thought it was requesting I pay. A calorimeter in a general sense measures heat transference, calories being a measure of heat. More specifically, what I build is an indirect calorimeter which uses respiratory gas analysis to not only measure human energy expenditure in calories but make an approximation of the ratio of glucose to fat being utilized. The reason I might fix my calor…

Do you have a link to your technology? Why is the indirect method so sensitive to extraneous movement? More so than just reflecting the additional energy expenditure?

> Do you have a link to your technology?

I don't, unfortunately. I did plan on publishing something about it, but life got in the way. Maybe you'll see me post something about it on HN one day.

In summary, there's nothing really groundbreaking about what I did other than I made it smaller and more portable than most existing indirect calorimeters. I made a circuit board with some sensors and an Arduino Nano mounted on it. The outer shell was designed with OpenSCAD and 3D printed. It was designed so it could be worn on a facepiece (in my case, a modified 3M respirator).

> Why is the indirect method so sensitive to extraneous movement?

Anything movement made is a result of metabolic activity. I was surprised to see drastic changes in RQ (respiratory quotient) just by getting up out of my chair and walking to the bathroom. It can take time for reading to stabilize. One reason is that even the best CO2 sensors have a slow response time in contrast to O2 sensors. There's enough lag that a change in activity can ruin a large section of a test, in particular if you're anticipating delayed metabolic activity. Also, it takes the body some time to eliminate CO2 after any amount of exercise. After movement, especially something like steady state cardio, this causes the RQ to jump up for ~3 to 5 minutes before it drops down.

One thing that research grade ICs do to mitigate this is to use a mixing chamber with a sampling pump to try and smooth out and normalize readings over a window of time. My approach was to literally just have my breath blow over the sensors with valves only allowing air to move in one direction, which is simpler and allows for readings to be a bit closer to real-time. It's also considered more problematic than other approaches like the mixing chamber.

Oh yeah, there's also this thing with lactic acid buffering that can cause some extra CO2 production but isn't necessarily considered metabolic activity.

Then there's the problem of leaks in the system, which are more likely to occur when the subject is moving. Even a little air leak can create anomalies, and you don't always know when they occur.

There's a lot of confounding factors, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Unless an indirect calorimeter has been designed by a company specifically for variable movement, you can assume that the only way to get reliably results is to make sure that the metabolic activity remains consistent for the duration of a test. That means either the subject lies still and doesn't move at all or they're performing something like cardio at a steady pace. If you look up protocols for conducting IC, you'll notice they're very strict.

> More so than just reflecting the additional energy expenditure?

Energy expenditure is thrown off but actually much less so because it is more closely tied to oxygen consumption than RQ, which is more closely related to the volume of CO2 produced. Since oxygen sensors respond fast and the body doesn't do weird things with oxygen like buffer it, EE isn't affected as badly. But if you want to measure how much carbohydrate to fat is being utilized, then any disruption can cause confusing results.

Indirect Calorimetry is very difficult to get right, but it's used because the alternative, direct calorimetry, is usually impractical. Direct calorimetry of a human being involves placing the subject in a room with a water jacket and measuring the difference in temperature after the subject has radiated heat away from their body. It avoids the confounding factors of IC, but you can't measure RQ that way and it's not really practical as I've said outside of financed research.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Do you have a link to your technology? Why is the indirect method so sensitive to extraneous movement? More so than just reflecting the additional energy expenditure?

> Do you have a link to your technology? I don't, unfortunately. I did plan on publishing something about it, but life got in the way. Maybe you'll see me post something about it on HN one day. In summary, there's nothing really groundbreaking about what I did other than I made it smaller and more portable than most existing indirect calorimeters. I made a circuit board with some sensors and an Arduino Nano mounted o…

Thank you for that explanation!

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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There are a lot of callouts of "This is BS" in regards to this article. Look at it from a different perspective. I would HIGHLY prefer this to a short press release blurb that allows pop-science clickbait aggregators (or even worse, the "science" sections of CBS/CNN and the like) to have first crack at it. This was produced by the university themselves, and provides a concise yet accurate and detailed overview of the…

My adblocker hid the video. So glad I came here and read your comments. I was looking for a video

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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> when something looks too good to be true, it probably isn't. Is that a typo or are you a very lucky individual?

I think they mean, when something looks too good to be true, it probably isn't [true] (though that's not how the phrase is normally used, of course).

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Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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> maybe that effort is better allocated to just encouraging people to get up and go for a walk every once in a while. This method has been used for decades and the results on the obesity rates do not seem to be very good so far. Maybe it's time to try other approaches.

Clearly the current culture in the US is not healthy, but the reason for healthy scientific and rational skepticism in this case was succinctly laid out in previous comments. It seems to me a tautology to suggest to that going for a walk is less complex than purchasing a specialized device in order to to a specialized exercise in an attempt to fend off obesity (when we already know that walking alone will probably no…

> It seems to me a tautology to suggest to that going for a walk is less complex than purchasing a specialized device in order to to a specialized exercise in an attempt to fend off obesity (when we already know that walking alone will probably not do any such thing).

Fair point, and I do agree that pharmaceutical approaches seem more likely to reach more people affected by this problem. My broader point was that the simplistic "just be more active" seem ineffective... and in my experience in some cases even counterproductive, so providing more alternative routes to healthier lifestyles makes sense to me, as complicated as they may seem, maybe they will be more convincing/enticing than what we currently do.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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I quickly skinned the article but in a nutshell it seems like the soleus (the main calf muscle) uses more fat and blood glucose than other muscles which primarily use glycogen. Thus using your calves in this specific way can help burn fat.

This kind of makes sense as . It agrees with the theory that humans used persistence hunting to run down game and evolved to be excellent long distance runners. IIRC humans usually have about 2000 to 3000 calories of glycogen in their muscles so being able to rely on fat stores becomes critical for longer distances.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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I'm curious if this is the same muscle that causes Charlie Horses. I can activate it on its own without moving my leg and can hold it in tension for a long time but if you flex it too hard it knots and is quite painful. The way that I can flex it: Lie on your back on the floor with your heels on a couch, knees approx 90 degrees Tip/rotate your foot forward and you'll feel a large muscle engage Try and flex that muscl…

> Charlie Horse

I had to look this up. It means leg cramp?

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