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Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by cyral »

dotancohen wrote: post #124
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I swear to God this f*ing industry. this again. Developers and any publisher should test their stuff with ad blockers enabled.

Why? They test in default configurations. As someone who changes many, many default settings, I don't expect developers to test in every possible combination of non-default settings, browser extensions, atypical devices, text zoom settings, etc.

These analytics scripts aren't critical and the checkout process shouldn't go down just because they don't load. It could be a user on spotty wifi or even the external service being down entirely. I agree that they shouldn't test all the functions of random third party extensions, but this failure point is pretty foreseeable for reasons besides adblock.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by pen2l »

GuB-42 wrote: post #136

With a few tweaks (monospaced variant), it could make a great coding font. Coding fonts have essentially the same goal: make similar looking characters different: 1liI|, 0O, etc... Code naturally strains our visual acuity: we want to see as much as possible, it means that we may use a smaller font size than we would find comfortable reading text with. Single letter, punctuation, etc... can be really important, in reg…

Pardon me, where do I find the monospace variant?

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by NonNefarious »

Zak wrote: post #131
GekkePrutser wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hate those restaurants that only have QR codes on the table for menus. A restaurant is for eating and talking, not for messing around with my phone. I avoid those now. During Covid there was a slight point (though it was pretty soon proven that surface transmission was so minor a factor not to warrant such actions). But now we should just go back to normal menus.

I don't mind this when it's done well. I'm going to have to mess with something to find out what food the restaurant sells and my phone is about as good an option as any. It can allow easier menu changes, inclusion of specials, and the like. In practice, however most restaurants seem to go for a PDF of their previous menu design formatted for printing on a paper many times the size of my phone. That's a bad experienc…

Menus on phones blow. It's a pain in the ass to fussily scroll around on a dinky screen and try to remember what has scrolled away that you were interested in, instead of being able to glance across a page.

I sympathize with the PITA of changing printed menus, but that's part of what you pay for. If I go out, I'm not paying for a lunch-counter experience.

E-paper menus would be a pretty good compromise, if they could be made practical.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by mtrpcic »

pen2l wrote: post #162
GuB-42 wrote: post #136

With a few tweaks (monospaced variant), it could make a great coding font. Coding fonts have essentially the same goal: make similar looking characters different: 1liI|, 0O, etc... Code naturally strains our visual acuity: we want to see as much as possible, it means that we may use a smaller font size than we would find comfortable reading text with. Single letter, punctuation, etc... can be really important, in reg…

Pardon me, where do I find the monospace variant?

What OP was saying was a few tweaks could make a monospace variant, which would be a nice programming font. I don't think a monospace variant is available right now.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by idiotsecant »

verall wrote: post #147
Zak wrote: post #113

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I'm curious who would get the tip in this scenario. The sushi chef? Ok, I guess. The restaurant owner? I'm going with 0%. The robot? Maybe if it can pass a Turing test.

> The sushi chef? Yes, and most likely split with other cooks, host/hostess, and waitstaff for people that refuse to use the iPad. > The restaurant owner? Illegal in most states. What an iconoclast, refusing to tip hourly workers...

The social contract is currently approximately 'when I interact with human wait staff I am expected to add some cash to what the bill says on it' This is evident from, for example, the drive-thru example. There is no waiter / waitress, you just get your stuff and keep rolling. A tip jar is sometimes available but is rarely expected. If I never interact with a human and the restaurant expects a tip I think they should tweak their presentation to more closely adhere to that social contract.

In actual fact I wish we could stop dancing around the fluffy idea of when to tip and when not to tip and just expect restaurant owners to pay their staff and include that in the price charged for the goods. It's super annoying having to think about this stuff all the time.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by pen2l »

mtrpcic wrote: post #165
pen2l wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon me, where do I find the monospace variant?

What OP was saying was a few tweaks could make a monospace variant, which would be a nice programming font. I don't think a monospace variant is available right now.

Ah yes, sorry. I think MonaLisa actually fits the bill: https://www.monolisa.dev/

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by turtledragonfly »

GuB-42 wrote: post #136

With a few tweaks (monospaced variant), it could make a great coding font. Coding fonts have essentially the same goal: make similar looking characters different: 1liI|, 0O, etc... Code naturally strains our visual acuity: we want to see as much as possible, it means that we may use a smaller font size than we would find comfortable reading text with. Single letter, punctuation, etc... can be really important, in reg…

Check out DejaVu Sans Mono[1], if you haven't already. That's what I use for programming. Has good versions of 1LiI0O (etc).

[1] https://dejavu-fonts.github.io/

(examples in PDF: http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/samples/DejaVuSansMono.pdf)

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by silvestrov »

pengstrom wrote: post #133
supernova87a wrote: post #129

Interesting that the slash on the zero character goes in the opposite slant direction than you normally see? Also, in the middle of that webpage, they show how the shapes in "ER79jr" are slightly different from conventional (they didn't notate it but I assume the yellow background alternate shapes are what are usually seen), but could have used some better explanation why those alternate shapes are confusing.

I assume this is to differentiate with 'Ø'

As an "Ø" language user, the 0-with-backslash is very wrong, it makes my brain say "syntax error". It does definitely not help reading speed.

It would be much better using a 0-with-dot.

Feels odd to use such a weird variation when there is AFAIK only a single language using Ø and we never have problem with 0 being mistaken for Ø.

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