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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Rocket League has an option called quick-chat. It's only canned messages. And in QC mode you only see or reply QC messages. Make being real toxic difficult.

What a save! It’s amazing how from the launch of the game that quick chat has pretty much only been used sarcastically.

Yes. However, you see it's limited. Can't use the "bad" words.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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You may underestimate how truly horrific some of the online communications are in any non-trivial service. Especially when kids are involved. Having been exposed to some of the stuff going on at other companies communication systems, I have total sympathy for mojang wanting some people off of all their platforms, forever. Most any system is built like this from the ground up, it’s rather surprising it took them this…

Is it "their" platform if the server is hosted by people who are not them on hardware that is not theirs? They are just selling a license to use their executables, no? Or should be (I don't play Minecraft)

If it’s entirely self-hosted servers on the user’s own hardware, then how could Microsoft ban them? What would that even mean? Microsoft’s systems must somehow be involved for a ban to have any meaning.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I think this is probably an autistic take on this, but I think we care way to much about exposing kids to mean words and mean people. Again, perhaps an autistic take, but being bullied (badly) as a kid was easily the best thing that ever happened to me in terms of mental resilience. Imagine we got into an argument and I got angry and called you a "smelly poo poo", you'd probably just laugh because despite what I'm sa…

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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You may underestimate how truly horrific some of the online communications are in any non-trivial service. Especially when kids are involved. Having been exposed to some of the stuff going on at other companies communication systems, I have total sympathy for mojang wanting some people off of all their platforms, forever. Most any system is built like this from the ground up, it’s rather surprising it took them this…

> You may underestimate how truly horrific some of the online communications are in any non-trivial service. Especially when kids are involved. Then parents should take care of their kids. This is like dropping them off on a random street corner and then complaining someone is fucking in an adjacent alley. The world isn't kid safe and it shouldn't be.

Yes, but Minecraft isn’t real life, it’s a fake world made for kids.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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It removes any and all reason to play online. Might as well play bots.

Rocket League has an option called quick-chat. It's only canned messages. And in QC mode you only see or reply QC messages. Make being real toxic difficult.

TheCrew2 uses emoticons as a quick chat options, and some canned messages. Overall it’s a positive for games that attract trolls.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I don't follow Minecraft or this issue closely, this is pure speculation, but MS could be trying to extinguish self hosted servers and would prefer all players playing on official Mincraft servers.

Yes, self-hosted servers, hypixel, etc, and java edition are clearly the target. It was bad enough having to pay twice for the same game (java edition, then bedrock edition, as some of their friends could only play the microsoft edition on their Nintendo Switches, etc). But if microsoft cause the 3rd party ecosystem of servers and mods to close down forcing everyone onto microsoft servers, I will ban my kids from pla…

I support your decision to ban it in your household under that circumstance. If Microsoft gets to carpet-ban us and our kids from the game, we can carpet-ban them from us and our kids. Take your responsibility as a parent seriously, spend time and engage and take care of your kids, don't depend on big centralized computer systems to keep your children safe. Teach them why it's important, and they'll grow up to value individual freedoms.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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You should check out Andino v. Apple , an ongoing lawsuit in which the plaintiff alledges that the use of the "Buy" button is fraudulent if content is truly not bought. I feel like you are confusing copyright law with contract law. I can purchase Minecraft without agreeing to any EULA. It only appears after you download the launcher. Here are the two types of unconscionability: The basic test applied for unconscionab…

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I pointed the Andino lawsuit out as context on why this isn't a "me spewing crazy shit out of my mouth" type of thing.

Also, what "wider US society" are you talking about? Most people who use software don't ever read any terms or EULAs, let alone know the implications. And the shenanigans that they bring to the table would be laughed out of the room in any physical setting (in fact they already have been laughed out of the courtroom, see the first sale doctrine)

"Here's a machine. You're responsible for keeping it. You must use it with your own electricity and resources. But you don't own it, it's more like a lease. Oh but we advertise it as a purchase and call it that in every public display we make of it, except in our hundred-page legal terms document, which (we know) nobody reads."

Yeah, definitely not unconscionable.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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I think having an opt-in (on by default in Realms) universal bans system is a good idea and something only Microsoft can properly provide. Can you really not turn this off per server?

Already exists for Java edition as a server (Bukkit) mod, which makes it opt-in: https://www.mcbans.com/

Yes - but that doesn't work on Realms and requires the server to trust a 3rd party for the bans list and only works if you use Bukkit. Those problems are solved by Microsoft running the program. But it needs to be optional - ideally opt in. Since Realms is mostly for kids I think it makes sense for this feature to be opt out, or even always on, in Realms.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Yes, self-hosted servers, hypixel, etc, and java edition are clearly the target. It was bad enough having to pay twice for the same game (java edition, then bedrock edition, as some of their friends could only play the microsoft edition on their Nintendo Switches, etc). But if microsoft cause the 3rd party ecosystem of servers and mods to close down forcing everyone onto microsoft servers, I will ban my kids from pla…

Bedrock Edition and Java Edition licenses have been "merged." That being said, if you're banning your kids from playing Minecraft because Microsoft Bad, that's just shitty.

They are perfectly happy playing in the current open ecosystem, why should they be forced to change?

I'm maybe being a bit dramatic by saying I'll ban them, but they will certainly be given a lesson on taking a stand, and if necessary making sacrifices, to defend freedoms and not give in to coercion.

It's not at all 'microsoft bad', except in this case, it seems they are.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Minetest is probably the best Minecraft alternative; it's free and open source software, which avoids the danger associated with centralized retaliation systems like the one Microsoft is operating. Also, it's easier to write mods for, partly because mods are written in Lua, and you don't have to install mods on the client, just the server. https://www.minetest.net/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Fyav6FiIs The vide…

This all doesn't make any sense if the MC servers aren't compatible with Minetest.
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