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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by colordrops »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

Power density and recharge speed has been increasing steadily for decades.

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Post by noirbot »

fy20 wrote: post #113
peyton wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Norwegian BEV owners also own an ICE for the winter. Adoption is high due to incentives.

More importantly, most of the places where people live in Norway are not actually that cold. In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

-4F is pretty cold, especially compared to temps in VA in the US. I'd be a little surprised if VA got to below 10F in the last 10 years.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by 01100011 »

rocket_surgeron wrote: post #34
throw7 wrote: post #16

"Many of us don’t need detailed analysis to understand this. We can see it on our neighborhood streets" I live in an apartment complex. Zero EVs. I suppose you are correct; I never considered myself as part of the "Many of us" moniker.

In countries and US states taking the fate of humanity seriously they are either preparing to fund or have already funded public/semi-public EV charging infrastructure upgrades. However, with a little planning it is possible to own an EV even if you live in an apartment where there is no charging infrastructure. The average American drives 39 (let's call it 40) miles per day. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has a 303 (let's call…

> In countries and US states taking the fate of humanity seriously

You mean places that discourage cars of all types and encourage mass transit, walking and biking?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by crooked-v »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #145
redox99 wrote: post #131

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> emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes) That seems pretty irrelevant? It's not like you have only one ambulance.

In remote areas of the US you very well could have only one ambulance.

In the extremely contrived example where two calls come in back to back from locations that are 400 miles apart, the need to charge an EV in the middle of driving for 6 hours straight is going to be a pretty minor factor.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by mperham »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32
crooked-v wrote: post #10

I suspect it would be even faster if there was a charging option for the many people in cities with their cars in shared garages, even one as simple as just having a lot of 240V outlets. It feels like something that's rather overlooked at the moment.

Agreed, but I think this is likely going to be a "tipping point" type of change. That is, overall EV share is still relatively low, but very soon not having charging at apartment buildings will be a non-starter. I'd easily bet that in 5 years you'll see new condo/apartment developments where every space has a charging option.

Oregon just passed rules mandating 40% of new apt parking spaces must have charging available. That, combined with no parking minimums, means that parking will really be minimal at new complexes imo.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

hwillis wrote: post #57
AmericanChopper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.

Is there something that makes the electric Volkswagens, Hyundais, Nissans, Chevys and Fords different from the conventional cars?

Greed.

More seriously, a natural obsolescence from dead battery packs that are BER.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by MerelyMortal »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #92
tapoxi wrote: post #66

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I'm really not sure how my Volkswagen will not let me drive because of something I said on Twitter. Electric utilities are also regulated monopolies, they can't just cut my power without running afoul of a ton of laws. Even in such a ridiculous scenario, you can make your own electricity. You can't make your own gasoline.

It was quite a while ago, but there was an airline that refused to allow a passenger to board until they deleted a negative tweet.

For anyone curious:

https://metro.co.uk/2013/09/25/law-lecturer-told-he-cannot-b...

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by jen20 »

ezfe wrote: post #28
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

Internet connection ≠ EV. It just so happens many correlate, but many do not.

Is there an EV available which is not internet connected?

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Post by osigurdson »

epistasis wrote: post #152
sandworm101 wrote: post #87

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>> There are very very very few places without electricity in the world. Today. Right now. This is happening. Not Africa or Antarctica. In Canada. In a national park during a busy long weekend. https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/be-prepared-officials-warn-of-po... " Should the situation worsen, Richard Ireland, Jasper's mayor, recommended residents and visitors to the park ensure their essential electric devices remain full…

Yes that is a story, but what is its relevance to what I am writing?

Perhaps because you suggest that the areas OP is referring to have near zero population when clearly that is not the case.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sandworm101 »

epistasis wrote: post #152
sandworm101 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> There are very very very few places without electricity in the world. Today. Right now. This is happening. Not Africa or Antarctica. In Canada. In a national park during a busy long weekend. https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/be-prepared-officials-warn-of-po... " Should the situation worsen, Richard Ireland, Jasper's mayor, recommended residents and visitors to the park ensure their essential electric devices remain full…

Yes that is a story, but what is its relevance to what I am writing?

A huge number of people are about to lose electricity at precisely the time they most need it, should they need to flee in an EV. Lack of electricity is not a rare occurrence.
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