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Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#161

I've been relying on making stuff up and then linking to paywalled articles to win my internet arguments, so this is a big setback for me.

Just rebrand yourself as a data scientist and tell them to read it on your medium page and then immediately blocking them on social media. Do an occasional freebie piece about how you're the victim of an ugly new trend and watch your follower count soar.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#162
Open source and replicable studies means going back to the fundamentals of the scientific method so this is a good step. I would love to see more peer-to-peer peer review technologies and websites developed though. There really is no reason to have publishing intermediaries in most cases. For example, many conferences and proceedings are essentially run by associations and societies etc.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Academia and especially the humanities is probably the least cooperative and worst at coordination problems

I have asked a lot of academics why they don't work across departmental/institutional lines to strategize against administrators/regents. You'd think sociologists, economists, and lawyers would be able to take on the rather glaring market failures in academia, but those who don't already have tenure and a fiefdom all seem to be teetering on the edge of economic insecurity and can't risk the career destruction.

It might just be that there are too many credentialed people chasing too few research and teaching positions, but it's a sad state of affairs however you look at it.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. This logic only works for easily-replicable goods, like information. It falls apart when you consider various goods and service that are not easily replicable, or where increased demand can mean increased funding is necessary. E.g.: * So public housing can't be at least partially paid for by the tenant, it must be completely free? *…

We rely too much on money as a determining factor for things. Money does not accurately reflect value, nor does it accurate reflect contributions made to society. So, in that vain, I agree with another poster who said this should all be free. Perhaps with some changes. > * So public housing can't be at least partially paid for by the tenant, it must be completely free? Depends on what you consider as payment. I'm in…

> We rely too much on money as a determining factor for things. Money does not accurately reflect value, nor does it accurate reflect contributions made to society.

Yes, but nevertheless money works better than not doing anything for stuff like street parking. It's simple and effective. Perhaps another system would work better on paper for allocating street parking, but I'm guessing most other suggestions would be a lot more complicated and brittle in practice.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#165

Having done a short stint dealing with this stuff I am glad something is being done. NIST/NSF funded several studies that I was close to that were suddenly owned by a journal who did nothing but provide a place to put it. Public money should always mean public access. Not just for journals, but for anything. If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continu…

I assume military R&D would be a big exception?

I don't think military R&D produces many academic papers, but anything going in a journal a foreign national can just buy should probably also be made available to the tax payer.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#167

At last. I genuinely believe there should be classes in high school teaching how to read papers as well. Around COVID, I'm sure +90% of the population relied on online news sources giving their click-bait-y interpretation of studies. (if at all read, perhaps just the abstract)

I love this idea, maybe we can put it alongside the taxation class along with all the other shit that should be taught to create sensible, well adjusted humans.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: What do journals actually do ? Do they check the article ? Why is it important for it to be in a journal ? I don't know much about academic research, fyi. I think it's also a midway proposal for other reasons. The proposal merely suggests open access but barely specifies anything. I don't want to give the government personal information and enable endless tracking to them just because I want to down…

The find one or more well-credentialed and cited experts in the field to anonymously review the paper and point out shortcomings in the research or drafting - this is the 'peer' part of peer review. Then they either accept for publication, suggest revisions, or reject it outright.

Note that the peer reviewers doing the work are unpaid volunteers, the people receiving the money are just middlemen.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

#169

So, we don't have to pay for the access, great. But searching for and collating all these tens of thousands of papers in each federal repository will have to be done... manually... by every researcher. .....Oh. You wanted search? You wanted indexing? You wanted a centrally managed service to pull from all those different federal repositories? Well, you're gonna need a company to develop all that and run it. You can u…

Right now every journal is a monopoly that can charge whatever it wants for as terrible service as it wants. With the change they need to compete with every bored college student who knows beautiful soup.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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It's funny how the political class understands the things like this that need to be done, they just don't care at all until they are heading into an election cycle they are about to lose. Then suddenly the political will is suddenly found.

You think this is a big populist vote grab?

Thanks, I just realised I'm a gigantic fucking nerd. I unironically thought this is something many people would care about.
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