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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

An SSD nowdays has something like 3500 megabytes/second, a 1gbit connection can (roughly) provide at most 100 megabytes/second, so we are not even close to use SSD write speed at full capacity.

That being said, downloading from Steam is incredibly different with a gigabit bandwidth.

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Post by fomine3 »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

Since every consumer fiber plan is best effort, I'll get better speed by using faster plan even though rated speed isn't needed. I get about 700-200Mbps on my gigabit fiber for download. I'm fine with 1Gbps but 200Mbps is sometimes slower. Hopefully 2Gbps is constantly available on 10gigabit fiber.

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Post by refurb »

Xeoncross wrote: post #45
elfatizer wrote: post #15

When we bought a house, the best one ended up being literally a couple miles outside of EPB's service area and I had to switch to Comcast. I see their billboard every time I drive home, just to rub salt in the wound.

I love how so many companies offer work-from-home now as you can literally work from anywhere in the world as long as it's only in a major city with a high bandwidth connection.

Who needs a >1Gps bandwidth for work from home? I worked from home using a 4G SIM.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by fomine3 »

aetherspawn wrote: post #90

Considering that 10G fiber gear is not very expensive at all (ie 28 port fiber switch - $1000) I’ve wondered what the hold-up is on 10Gbps SFP+ becoming a standard. In Australia we’re shamefully paying $1150 per month for our business symmetrical 10G SFP+ (shaped to 1/1G), but a 1G 1000/40 connection is only $100/mo.

FTTH network uses PON to reduce expensive 1:1 wiring for each home (but YMMV). Simple fiber switch can't be used for PON.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by fomine3 »

Gigachad wrote: post #121
lloeki wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine the size of files for the last 20 years and you could probably do a relatively close comparison for the next 20. Is it? A some point usefulness plateaus. I mean taking the streaming example, we can easily stream several 4K HDR streams within a 1G pipe, and 4K is basically retina-class unless you plan to project in a cinema, so anything above is virtually useless (just like the move to 24bit/192kHz is for li…

Not sure if we are going to see this in the future, but I'd love to see video streaming / content production move to 60fps. You're right that beyond 4k doesn't really give you anything but the improvement 24fps to 60 is absolutely massive. Would also be nice to see video call apps upgrade from the absolute worst qualities to something nicer.

Doubling frame rate won't add bitrate like double, thanks to frame difference compression algorithm. Video call won't use much too. I'd say VR could be the next application that needs more bandwidth.

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Post by zbrozek »

johnwalkr wrote: post #149
chrsig wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was my experience when I had a gigabit connection. I could download games from steam as fast as my ssd would write it. Which was pretty awesome, but I'm not often pushing that sort of bandwidth. The counter argument being that without it being a commodity, we don't know what might be invented if it were. We could miss out on, or delay lots of really amazing innovations.

That’s not my experience at all. I had 10Gbps internet in Tokyo. In normal browsing there wasn’t much difference between using wifi which I normally did and connecting by 10Gbps Ethernet. But downloading on steam was one case where the difference was amazing, I could download a AAA game in 1-2 minutes instead of 10-20.

I find that Steam decompression pegs one core of my CPU and downloads get stuck at 550-600 mbps. It would take a lot less time if it didn't compress anything.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

pxeboot wrote: post #143
inferiorhuman wrote: post #92

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10GBaseT is the wrong solution, period. As you've found out it runs hot (somehow I doubt all the fanless consumer trinkets are going to last very long). Not that Ubiquiti is a good example – even with their 1G kit they had issues with thermal management. Both the ER-X and ER-L ran hot enough to cook themselves (especially the early ones with the tiny SD cards). True to form my ER-Xs get flakey when it gets slightly w…

> Both the ER-X and ER-L ran hot enough to cook themselves I must have a different revision of the ER-X. Mine only runs slightly warm to the touch, running off of PoE and powering an AP.

So the last time I looked I only found one person complaining that their ER-X runs hot to the touch (plenty of "it seems kind of flakey" comments tho). Mine become unstable once the ambient temp gets much past 75 °F. The ER-L is well known to run hot to the touch at idle.

When I opened up one of my ER-Xs to get a the serial header I noticed that it had a much sloppier application of thermal compound than the one pictured in the instructions I looked at. I'd totally believe some units will be more reliable than others.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by pooperscoop »

TylerE wrote: post #155
gumby wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your SSD comment aside: not everyone lives alone; during the lockdown we had four people using the network simultaneously during the day, plus of course some of my other machines using the network. We have friends with three or four kids, which would have magnified that demand.

Gigabit can support ~25 simulatenous Blu-Ray streams (and that's at the full 40Mbit). It wasn't all that long ago (~10 years) when the company I worked for had only 200Mbit to the internet, and that supported ~300 people pretty comfortably.

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Post by mlyle »

zbrozek wrote: post #166
johnwalkr wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not my experience at all. I had 10Gbps internet in Tokyo. In normal browsing there wasn’t much difference between using wifi which I normally did and connecting by 10Gbps Ethernet. But downloading on steam was one case where the difference was amazing, I could download a AAA game in 1-2 minutes instead of 10-20.

I find that Steam decompression pegs one core of my CPU and downloads get stuck at 550-600 mbps. It would take a lot less time if it didn't compress anything.

Yup, about the same for me (maybe slightly faster).

Sometimes games have assets that compress really well, and then I end up downloading at 400mbps and maxing out my SSD writing.

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Post by basilgohar »

TylerE wrote: post #68
dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

There's more to Internet than downloading data straight to disk.

Families can have multiple kids taking online classes while both parents are also working remotely. Many families have multiple devices per person that can be streaming, downloading, OR UPLOADING (commonly the aspect shortchanged in residential Internet) which, at times, can easily saturate a 1Gb connection.

We always need to advance because others are too, and services demand greater speeds in returb. It's a bit of a race, but no need to claim it's useless. We can do things now that were unthinkable before due to such advances.

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