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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

What's the incentive for Google to EVER give the accounts back? If they wrongly deactivate an account (like here), you get a bad article, EFF and friends ruminate about your behavior, and the world mostly moves on. If Google wrongly gives an account back, you get a different article: "Google helped child pornographer even after discovering CP in their account". Now that gets attention. That's a scandal that leads to…

In what world would Google receive criticism for giving back accounts to people who has been proven innocent?

Google's surveillance system and automated ban hammers are already bad enough. But the actions they took following the ban in this case is egregious and 100% indefensible. At the very least, Google could've reinstated their victim's account and issued a full sincere apology upon being contacted by the NYT. If Google has any care for their users, they'd do that for every people they wrongly reported who had their names cleared. Instead, Google doubled down, continued to treat their victims as criminals in their statement, and even leaked details about intimate photos in a blatant attempt to discredit the users they wronged.

No parent should ever have to go through what Google has put them through when trying to cure their child. Most of all, they should never have to risk losing custody of their child because their child went sick. They should never lose access to their whole digital identity because they didn't know any better than to rely on Google. Yet this is what Google did to these parents, full stop.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

And you can’t even escape these companies by moving to another country. They have their tendrils everywhere, except in places that consciously prevent them - which is usually done by even worse tyrannies like China/Russia. Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc…

What if I use Huawei phone, which is banned from using Google services? Obviously, China will have all my info, but they can't (yet) ban me from boarding US trains for low social rating, so what do I care?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #95

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Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

This is at best authoritarianism or corportatism not fascism. There is no ultranationalism, there is no "othering", there is no enforced hierarchy of individuals.

> There is no ultranationalism

Wait for the next EU lawsuit against Google, you will drown under all the comments claiming it is an attack on American companies.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

Moved where? Not to iCloud, I hope? Self-hosting mail, calendar and media is too complex task for 99% of population. This is not a solution.

Nowadays you can buy a NAS and plug it into your router and then click the install nextcloud option and you have it running, then you add the app on your phone. Its no where near as difficult to get these level of capability as it used to now that Docker is integrated in a user friendly way in a lot of NAS software.

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It's literally capitalism. It's the system that Google was allowed to thrive in and become this powerful.

Power concentration is inevitable regardless of the system because in order to enforce decentralization you would need to, well, concentrate power. Our best bet is to shame those using products of unethical companies.

Shame concentration.

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I’ve heard great things about Google Domains but this kind of story is exactly why I probably won’t be using that service. It’s just too risky if you lose everything at once.

As a basic consumer storing somewhat not important things on Google is potentially risky for the content on it but you aren't paying them anything so its probably worth the trade off. For a business or for something you pay for Google's support is atrocious and its not worth the hassle given all the horrendous failure modes it can put you in. One thing Google consistently is teaching people is do not pay them directly as they don't know how to treat their customers.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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> subsequent review of his account turned up a video from six months earlier that Google also considered problematic, of a young child lying in bed with an unclothed woman.

Isn’t that also a description of breastfeeding?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Well not in all countries. In my country you are required to receive electronic messages from the government as well as to have a government issued ID and authentication system that forces you to have a fairly recent smartphone. For now, it is theoretically possible to use the authentication system without a smartphone but you will have to jump through an awful amount of (artificially imposed) hoops. Not having an in…

I find this incredibly hard to believe. Governments have accessibility obligations and so their key services should absolutely be usable with something like Chromium/Linux. And it definitely shouldn't be more onerous than using a smartphone.

For example, see https://www.slovensko.sk/sk/na-stiahnutie

It is the portal for Slovak republic. You are supposed to have your national ID card, which is a smart card. To use it, you need a smartcard reader and an application, which basically listens on localhost and is kind of a intermediate between your browser, the pages than need authentication and the department of state, which handles IAM.

That application runs on Windows, Mac and Debian (9,10)/Ubuntu (18.04,20.04)/Mint (19.20) (it is not open source). Other distributions are not supported, forget ChromeOS.

It is quite onerous. You have to enter your PIN for smartcard about four times, before you see the content of the inbox.

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