Don’t use tiktok Trump was right about that
Instagram and Facebook do the same thing.
N wrongs don’t make a right.
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#162I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?
Honestly, this type of discussion is seriously irritating, because it implies that TikTok is doing something unique that other apps aren't doing. Just as the article demonstrates, many western countries do the exact same thing that TikTok does, except TikTok seemingly takes it one step further (probably because of shoddy programming). Applying geographic-based arguments to technology is just a bandaid. The problem ne…
> TikTok is a short video app used mostly by younger generations. It produces highly accurate recommendations for videos to watch. We're not talking about something like a banking app, a healthcare app, or even a messaging app. It's a video-based social network. There are bigger fish to fry than TikTok in almost every single possible category of app. Yet, TikTok is always brought up because it's from China.
If the leaders in the West weren't concerned about the "average Joe" and their (mis)understandings of politics and situations with complex nuances, then the West would likely be a true Democracy (like ancient Athens, where the People vote on issues such as War and Taxes) instead of a Republic or Democratic Republic (where the People elect a small group to vote on their behalf).
Regardless, I think our Western leaders SHOULD be concerned with the "average Joe" mentality. That includes, by a wide margin, propaganda efforts by other nations.
https://rankingdigitalrights.org/2021/07/14/testing-tiktok-d...
There are _far less_ antisocial practices featured on Chinese TikTok than on Western (specifically American) TikTok. However, the comparison to Instagram and Facebook doesn't differ all that much, so maybe they're simply giving us the content we want.
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#163I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?
So, I see this bandied about a lot, but I don't see the big deal in being spied on by a government that has 0 say in my entire hemisphere? Like, I have much bigger concerns about spying done on behalf of the five eyes alliance than China (obviously this would be the opposite if I was living in China). What are they going to do with my silly viewing habits, sell my data to advertisers? Well, same deal with youtube, google, fb, insta, whatsapp, etc. I'm not saying you are coming at this from a nationalistic point of view but I get that vibe from the ease of which tiktok is disdained on HN.
And on the merits, it is unhealthy like all social media, but it still feels so much more fun and worthwhile than facebook or insta where everything feels like a competition to have the best life. So much of Tiktok still feels like vine 2.0
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#164So let me get this straight: If I click a link inside the Instagram app, that for whatever reason takes me to gmail or microsoft or wherever that requires authentication, and I decide to login on that page so I can view the link in question, Meta and TikTok are able to capture my credentials and ingest the data back in to their metrics and analytics pipelines? Is that even f*cking legal?
You're surprised?
Those were never trustworthy.
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#165I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?
So, what would be the difference between us and them? There is a reason why our governance is better than them.
Also, if you don't know facebook, instagram also have same issue as tiktok. Maybe government should enforce privacy requirement for all apps including facebook and instagram instead of blanket banning Chinese apps.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it isn't about people being more prone to buy property in one place, rather than another. Let x be a any number in [0, infty) , I literally can not buy property in China for any x .
> The answer is yes, foreigners are allowed to purchase property in China! The essential requirement is that you have studied or worked in China for at least one year on a residence permit. Foreigners are allowed to only own one residential property for dwelling purposes. You may not rent out the property or act as a landlord. Requirements and restrictions may differ in different provinces and cities. For example, Sh…
You can not actually buy property in China, you can only lease it for a number of years, and it will always be held by the government of China (you can easily search this on the web). And after some number of years, it'll go back to them, and you'll have nothing.
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#167I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?
Amusingly, TikTok isn't available in China - only DouYin, which is similar but separate.
I'm not 100% sure on this at this point, but I think if Facebook/Google/etc were willing to do the same they would be allowed in China too, but as it stands they can't/won't comply with Chinese law (I may be mistaken on this, haven't read up on the topic in quite some time)
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are going to reply to you with the usual "we are better than them", "we are a democracy" etc., but reciprocity clauses are very common in areas like international trade, travel, disarmament treaties, emissions control and lots more. In fact China would never have been allowed into the WTO (which happened in 2001) had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete…
"had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete on a fair playing field, rules that they still (mostly) have to follow today. " This is really quite false. Rules are broken all the time, they are difficult to arbitrate, and often they are not. The CCP requires foreign entities to surrender critical IP, then hand it off to a state-backed competitors, they don't allow…
>Neither would Russia.
Facebook, Whatsapp and Instagram worked pretty well here, to the point where almost every teenager has an Instagram account, so I think this is proven to be false. The only reason Instagram is banned now is because of the ability to use it to spread pro-Western propaganda instead of pro-Russian one.
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#169I feel like there is a litany of the internet: "that which can be collected will be." That's been true since the beginning. What continues to surprise me is that people think only "bad guys" do it. This is why we continue to lock down browsers and provide ever narrower permission classes.
What surprises me is that this is technically possible on iOS.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happened to free speech being the bastion of America and the only thing that can counter misinformation and propaganda? Suddenly doesn't seem to work so well when a Chinese app is granted that privilege.
Stealing information without user permission is not free speech.
Freedom of speech has two associated actions - speaking and listening - each with the same aspects of freedom - whether, when and to whom to speak/listen.
For example, we normally think about the opposite of free speech as speech being suppressed, but being made to speak, to people you don't wish to speak to, at a time that is not of your choosing, none of that is freedom of speech even though you expressed your thoughts.
Hence, there is no freedom of speech without privacy. That's why it often gets wrapped up in the, in my view far better, phrase freedom of expression.