I don't keep up with desktop dev, but can I develop a Linux UI using C# and .NET yet?
Yes. I've done it (a PoC and a personal app) for Linux and the Mac last year. Notes at https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2021/11/14/1600
.NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
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Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#162The .NET ecosystem is giving me a lot of confidence these days. I've been on this rollercoaster since .NET Core 2.x and don't think I will be getting off any time soon. We recently upgraded from 3.1 to 6, which was a total non-event. The code base that was around for Core 2.x is still the same one we have today. Some substantial changes made to the web interfaces and hosting, but nothing in the business logic or data…
I just jumped on the .NET Core gravy train after 6+ years of Ruby on Rails development. I feel so productive and confident working with .NET. Ill be riding this rollercoaster with you for a while!
I'm glad for you, but ActiveRecord is still the best ORM of all time. OF ALL TIME. I rewrote one of my main Rails applications in .NET, and trying to use Entity Framework was like pulling teeth for me, in comparison.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
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Yes, actually it runs better.
Runs better than on Windows, or better than the past Linux implementations?
It runs better than on windows. For example, all ASP performance testing, from techempowered, is done on Linux and not on windows. There are tons of info, videos about testing different workloads on both OS and seeing that Linux always wins
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#164Microsoft seems like "a house divided" when it comes to opening .NET. They open source the core language, but have different proprietary dev tools (debugging for one) you need to pay for. https://isdotnetopen.com/ goes over these in more detail, but I'd rather use an ecosystem where I don't have to worry things will be progressively locked down in the future.
The debugger is part of Visual Studio, which is a paid product. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to not publish the source for it.
There's a free version of VS which has a full debugger. Am I missing something? Are we talking about debugging the .NET code itself?
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
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I don’t know where in the world you’re located, but there are way more .Net jobs available than than Node or Rails here in Denmark.
Middle of nowhere, Canada, far away from any metro area. I've been working remotely for years as a result. Seems tough to find any .NET work in digital space (plenty of javascript and rails from my experience). I ascribe this to the perception of .NET being more corporate.
> I ascribe this to the perception of .NET being more corporate.
Seems about right, most of the .Net jobs are very corporate :-)
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
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I just jumped on the .NET Core gravy train after 6+ years of Ruby on Rails development. I feel so productive and confident working with .NET. Ill be riding this rollercoaster with you for a while!
C# is such a cozy language, anyone familiar with C++ or Java can instantly bang out half-decent code, and there's a ton of great features to gradually learn and use. And the performance is about as good as it gets for a language with garbage collection. Big fan.
And ASP.Net Core is an insanely fast web framework. It beats every other major framework written in a managed language by a mile. There's no way your backend will outgrow it if your workload isn't RAM-limited.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
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FWIW, I'd approach other FAANG with the same "get ready to be betrayed" attitude I have to MS as well. Try to entrust as little as possible into their hands, but still do what's necessary to your business (i.e. don't be fanatical about it).
Alright, then let's hear: What is your go to stack?
Not OP, but my favorite stack is Rails/Postgres/Linux. It doesn't get more open and less corporate-controlled than that these days. To enjoin OP, however, I get worried when I think about the GitHub acquisition. To me, GitHub was everything open and non-corporate, like my stack. Then Microsoft bought it, and now I fear that they will bring their MSDN "dev portal" schtick over to it.
They've already started integrating LinkedIn into Outlook. They will probably be doing the same thing with GitHub in Visual Studio, and downplaying others (like GitLab). Will it affect my use? I don't know. I doubt it, but I wish I didn't feel like I need to be watching them like a hawk now, and be ready to move my code to another provider at short notice.
The really stupid part? Out of other companies who could have bought it, and would be interested in it, Microsoft is probably the best choice. Certainly better than Oracle or Salesforce.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#168For reasons currently unclear to me, installing this seems to cause apt to remove Discord. The following packages have unmet dependencies. libc++1-14 : Depends: libunwind-14 (>= 1:14.0.0) but it is not installable libc++abi1-14 : Depends: libunwind-14 (>= 1:14.0.0) but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
it's always the same debian / ubuntu package mess. moving to Arch has made this specific headache entirely go away
On an opposing note, updating my Arch system (pikaur -Syu) recently wanted to install Electron 20 and remove Electron 19, which the element-desktop package was still depending on. I wasn't using it so that's an easy uninstall. But there's nothing inherent about Arch that prevents these issues from popping up every now and then.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#169For reasons currently unclear to me, installing this seems to cause apt to remove Discord. The following packages have unmet dependencies. libc++1-14 : Depends: libunwind-14 (>= 1:14.0.0) but it is not installable libc++abi1-14 : Depends: libunwind-14 (>= 1:14.0.0) but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
it's always the same debian / ubuntu package mess. moving to Arch has made this specific headache entirely go away
Or Gentoo with their"slot"s.
Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just jumped on the .NET Core gravy train after 6+ years of Ruby on Rails development. I feel so productive and confident working with .NET. Ill be riding this rollercoaster with you for a while!
I'm glad for you, but ActiveRecord is still the best ORM of all time. OF ALL TIME. I rewrote one of my main Rails applications in .NET, and trying to use Entity Framework was like pulling teeth for me, in comparison.
I'm glad it works for you. It gave my team years of headache while we ported it all to jOOQ.
Also our Ruby engineers liked the flexibility so much that they exposed our entire database as a service to customers, which we had to emulate and support.
Two sides to every position.