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Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by sofixa »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #154
sofixa wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few, if any, of those killed by Google things, are products one paid for, let alone had paid partnerships with third parties. The situation really isn't comparable.

They just killed IoT Core.

Which hasn't received updates since 2019. Unlike Stadia, which not only gets updates every month, has recent ads in third parties.

Google are still investing money and in Stadia. It's unlikely they'll shut it down soon. In most of the things they killed, there had been no investment for some time before the official announcement.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by sofixa »

effingwewt wrote: post #156
hammyhavoc wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just killed IoT Core.

Well said, I had no words- this is literally a thread about them doing just that. Also not just killing but making worse like the Nvidia Shield. How are there still googlw apologists?

> How are there still googlw apologists?

It's not Google apologizism to state the obvious that Stadia is getting money and time thrown at it to this very day, so it's unlikely that it will get killed soon, and pointing out the difference with the majority of the killed products which were usually on maintenance mode for prolonged periods of time before being killed (IoT Core included), not to mention in 99% of cases, free.

Stadia has the best UX by far of all cloud gaming platforms. It needs Google to show long term commitment by signing a few more big third party deals, and improving hardware and thus stream quality. Without that it will languish as a niche, with it it could get successful.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by goldash »

patwolf wrote: post #46

I've been a defender of GCP in the past, and I've been quick to point out that while Google has a reputation for killing products, GCP has been fairly stable. This, however, changes my opinion. I've been successfully using Cloud IoT for a few years. Now I need to find an alternative. There's a vendor named ClearBlade that announced today a direct migration path, but at this point I'd rather roll my own.

If you are looking to find a way to migrate from Google, Qubitro offers you a warm welcome.

The offer for six months of free credits as well as free technical support and more is here: https://blog.qubitro.com/migrate-from-iot-core-to-qubitro/

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by goldash »

accelbred wrote: post #97

Perhaps one should just migrate to AWS IoT Core.

If there is anyone trying to find a way to migrate from Google, Qubitro offers you a warm welcome.

The offer for six months of free credits as well as free technical support and more is here: https://blog.qubitro.com/migrate-from-iot-core-to-qubitro/

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by freedomben »

effingwewt wrote: post #159
drusepth wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, if you look at threads like this, the comments almost always boil down to "pro-Stadia" versus "anti-Google" sentiments. Not to make more generalizations, but I think you'll find that people that like Stadia like it because they actually like the Stadia product (surprise!) -- and people that hate on Stadia often do so because they have other issues with the company behind it. Sure, Google might s…

I have no problem with people liking stadia. I'm against cloud gaming because of its own issues. I am against google because of its owm issues. I'm sure one could be pro stadia/cloud gaming and still be cognizant of the garbage google pulls. I am glad you are enjoying stadia, and I truly hope it'll be one of the services that survive, maybe it'll improve cloud gaming issues to the point I'd be on board. But the op wa…

OP said nothing of the sort. All they did was list some (substantial) differences between the comparisons. They certainly might feel that way, but there's not enough in their post to conclude that.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by freedomben »

doctor_eval wrote: post #79
wildfire wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were "customer obsessed" even though they are not doing development of a service, they would lauch it anyway in all regions. By not doing this, they make it hard for their customers to be multi-regional. It is easy to spin "customer obsession" any way you like.

That's the least generous, and least logical, possible take, and I'm the opposite of a fan of Amazon or AWS. If a customer is not multi-region already, and if Amazon hasn't promised multi-region availability, then the customer has simply chosen the wrong product. It's not in anyone's interest for Amazon to waste resources rolling out a product that they can't sell, just because maybe someone wants to expand their exi…

Exactly. AWS never promises every product in every DC. If you build on it before it's available in a region you need it in, it's a choice and risk you are making

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by jonsmirl »

senssei wrote: post #147

Honesty, this is "just" MQTT/HTTPS ingress. Further communication to Pub/Sub wouldn't change in any way. IoT Core as a service has some design choices that make it attractive such as JWT token auth, and complex to optimize, such as communication pattern details. If any of you would be interested in migrating to a fully compatible solution, give me a shout at rwarz[at]softserveinc.com since we are building one ;)

Use JWT over HTTPS to RealtimeDB. Has the same presence detection as MQTT. A lot cheaper too. I actually like it better than using MQTT. All of our devices attach to multiple RealtimeDB and then we sweep the data into Firestore for human interaction. Front end for RealtimeDB is open source so you can port it.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by c_o_n_v_e_x »

Nextgrid wrote: post #48
openthc wrote: post #11

hahaa; wow. So, we were doing this sensor project; and I picked "boring" things like raspberry-pi, python scripts, wiring the GPIO with a screw-down terminal or using SDR for other off-the shelf sensors to build the network. And in one of the demos showing our very low-budget type project a reviewer said: "you should look at IoT managers like the G offering, we're using it". So, they declined to use our methods and b…

I hate the current trend of smearing your business logic across dozens of third-party providers with various business goals that rarely align with yours. I'm also not confident that the constant churn of keeping up with API changes (if not outright deprecations like this) and costs of the third-party services end up costing you more than just doing it yourself. Finally, what we've seen with Okta, Twilio, most recentl…

>I hate the current trend of smearing your business logic across dozens of third-party providers with various business goals that rarely align with yours. I'm also not confident that the constant churn of keeping up with API changes (if not outright deprecations like this) and costs of the third-party services end up costing you more than just doing it yourself.

I suppose the problem is that it's hard to evalute the total cost of ownership. Migration to a 3rd party and operations costs can be reasonably forecasted, but how do you evaluate business or product continuity risk? Without being able to evaluate that risk, the 3rd party service always seems artifically "cheap."

Can you buy insurance against vendors dropping their services? I've licensed some tech before that included statements that if the company were to go out of business, the code would be open sourced so as to not leave people high and dry.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Post by elchief »

dark-star wrote: post #15
neodypsis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I prefer to invest time and effort on AWS. I know I won't have to rewrite everything from scratch whenever Google feels like abandoning their projects.

AWS has never discontinued one of their services? Not trolling, seriously asking (I don't use hyperscalers)

There was an ML service before sagemaker that you can't start using anymore but I believe it still works for existing customers
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