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Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by throwaway4good »

eli wrote: post #138
qeternity wrote: post #123

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Yes. I've never understood this whole "don't host in the US or the NSA will spy on you"...uh, that might be true, but at least on paper there are protections. An EU subsidiary of a US company is fully legal fair game for every 3 letter agency.

As is a fully independent EU alternative. I support reigning in the NSA, GDPR seems like a weird way to do it. I don't follow the logic.

The US Cloud act requires companies to open their platform for the intelligence agencies. We are not talking about hacking, they are required by law to provide access.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by xdennis »

mgraczyk wrote: post #89
testaccountfor wrote: post #57

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US cloud companies can be forced by the US government to spy on European citizens. That's the reasoning behind this ruling. Are you not aware of the NSA spying programs?

Right, that's why I included my last paragraph. EU companies can also be forced by the US government to spy on European citizens. It happens all the time.

> EU companies can also be forced by the US government to spy on European citizens.

How? If a company is not American how can it be forced by the US?

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by [deleted] »

arlort wrote: post #106
jiggywiggy wrote: post #33

Yeah wondering about the consequences. By this logic almost every non-EU Saas would be forbidden. For sure Stripe is also not allowed, huge amount of customer data in US hands.

> non-EU The problem isn't non EU services, it's the US CLOUD act Other countries have legal systems which are considered as offering equivalent protection: > The European Commission has so far recognised Andorra, Argentina, Canada (commercial organisations), Faroe Islands, Guernsey, Israel, Isle of Man, Japan, Jersey, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Switzerland , the United Kingdom under the GDPR and the LED, and Ur…

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by blocked_again »

xdennis wrote: post #154
blocked_again wrote: post #139

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You do know that nobody in US is forcing you to use this site or any other US companies for that matter. You are doing it with your own free fill. Also, remember the time when Germany decided to go after their own people? How does laws like this help when it comes to situations like that?

I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean that each individual is supposed to know where every site is based instead of having country-wide/EU-wide protections in place?

Yeah. Individuals are perfectly capable of making that decision. I don't want my government telling me where I should keep my data.

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Post by jtwaleson »

emptysongglass wrote: post #144
jtwaleson wrote: post #126

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But you realize that all tightly integrated high-level services like IAM, Kinesis, Lambda, DynamoDB, CloudWatch (just to name a few from AWS), make the cloud a joy to work with? AWS had VMs and Managed DBs in 2009(!).

My personal experience with IAM is that it makes AWS awful to work with. I honestly wish it was replaced with an service far simpler in design. CloudWatch is similarly obtuse. I think you have a point with Lambda though I don't use serverless much. How does Knative compare?

I personally have no experience with Knative. In my view, you open up a different can of worms by dragging in k8s. Either do everything natively on your cloud provider or go all-in with k8s.

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

Macha wrote: post #122
ThunderSizzle wrote: post #104

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I would argue China-US relationships are not that of allies or friends. There isn't a war or cold war going on, but I wouldn't pretend that the relations between China and the US are peaceful and represent trustful tranquility. I would argue the relationship between Europe and US are substantially better, although not without frustrations from both sides, some warranted and some not. At the very least, several countr…

NATO membership is also true for Turkey, which is not always considered friendly with the EU and US.

Turkey is a very interesting case, and is rooted in the Cold War.

But I do agree Turkey is less friendly dly and is on my personal no-go zone for safety reasons.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by blocked_again »

bettysdiagnose wrote: post #145
blocked_again wrote: post #139

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You do know that nobody in US is forcing you to use this site or any other US companies for that matter. You are doing it with your own free fill. Also, remember the time when Germany decided to go after their own people? How does laws like this help when it comes to situations like that?

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All I am saying is Individuals are perfectly capable of making that decision. Whether they should store their data in Germany, California or some random Caribbean island.

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Post by simion314 »

blocked_again wrote: post #139
simion314 wrote: post #125

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But when is about TikTok I see most americans have completely different values, no sorry americans are consistent, only US citizens deserve rights, the rest can be spied on, tortured,killed etc. Give EU citizens same privacy rights and there so no need to start an economic war because some NSA fat and lazy agent does not want to prepare a file to request a warrant. If you are at it, maybe is tiem to let US citizens t…

You do know that nobody in US is forcing you to use this site or any other US companies for that matter. You are doing it with your own free fill. Also, remember the time when Germany decided to go after their own people? How does laws like this help when it comes to situations like that?

So you say nobody should say visit US because human rights apply only for citizens? Do I also don't have the right to point that this is bad? When did non US people lost this right to complain?

Is there a reason why making it illegal for NSA and CIA to spy on EU citizens with warrants is affecting you personally? Do you work for CIA and you don't want to fill paperwork?

This is such an obvious solution, remove the stupid law and partner with EU in protecting privacy, then you can work together against China.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by simion314 »

blocked_again wrote: post #167
bettysdiagnose wrote: post #145

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All I am saying is Individuals are perfectly capable of making that decision. Whether they should store their data in Germany, California or some random Caribbean island.

And did the Germans put some buy in prison for his personal data, or was about companies sending to US other people private data?

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Post by blocked_again »

CBarkleyU wrote: post #148
blocked_again wrote: post #100

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> From what we know, so far, it was the EU countries which elected politicians that went after their own people. Not the US. Please stick to Reddit with cheap rhetoric like that.

How is citing one of biggest human crisis of last century against the same country which did it against their own citizens a cheap shot. It's totally relevant.
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