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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by 30944836 »

justapassenger wrote: post #154
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

> Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation It's a weak excuse for a company that builds its image in last 5 years as a morally superior one. Apple was very happy to heavily impact online advertising business (not saying it was a bad thing), because of those principles (and to give them huge edge to grow their business later in that area). But they are n…

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by ericmay »

jjoonathan wrote: post #156
ericmay wrote: post #132

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Sure, but you can today buy more expensive products that are not made in China if that's of concern to you. Of course there are some products for which there are no alternatives right now, but that doesn't stop you from making economic decisions that align with your stated values. Continuing to buy Chinese products and then saying you have no agency because some nebulous entity made a decision for you is just cogniti…

Did you learn nothing from the Prisoner's Dilemma? We don't actually have any options that leverage massive economies of scale and manufacture in the US, because our masters chose to ship the manufacturing overseas. Individual agency is trumped by control of the rules, that's the whole point of PD. Pretending that our wallets have agency is a con to fool us out of using the tool that would actually be effective: regu…

You can enact regulation (which takes time, and which I support) and also buy things that aren't made in China right now. This same thing applies to environmental considerations as well. You don't need to wait for the government to ban plastic bags for you to stop using them. Both can happen together.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by [deleted] »

TakuYam wrote: post #76
Jugurtha wrote: post #41

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Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

I’m not sure if they still do but you used to be able to hold two passports simultaneously. One that was ‘clean’ for countries that didn’t recognise Israel and another for Israel.

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by lotsofpulp »

skoskie wrote: post #88
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

> And basically everyone here is choosing cheaper Chinese goods so we're all complicit too. The only way to not be complicit is to not have a phone. China makes them all.

One option is to vote for politicians to increase tariffs or ban imports from China, but that would make the voters’ products/services more expensive. At the end of the day, the politician that wins elections is the politician that delivers lower priced goods/services to the voters.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by prepend »

BudaDude wrote: post #119
INTPenis wrote: post #86

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It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan.

They might take Taiwan though and ruin the global economy for a few decades.

But I’m not seeing how this gets to be ww3 and not a regional war of just blowing shit up with missles. I don’t think Europe, Africa or South America would get involved unless China fired icbms or bobbed Hawaii or something.

China’s military just isn’t strong enough yet. Maybe in 20-50 years.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by the_af »

daniel-thompson wrote: post #114
bodski wrote: post #81

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> But instead the CCP rejected that and undermined global good will Can you elaborate on this? This feels a very US centric view. The US itself has repeatedly failed to comply with its own 'rules-based order', whilst expecting other powers to comply.

Textbook example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I don't think shouting Whataboutism whenever someone points out US-centric points of view or double standards makes for an interesting conversation.

It's become a lazy way to avoid conversation and relevant comparisons of behavior of the different world powers.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by ycombinete »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

> the Emirates cannot trade with Israel

This is no longer true. The UAE normalised relations with Israel, almost two years ago[0]. There are even Israeli VCs, like Entree Capital, funding startups in the UAE.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Arab_Emi...

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by zozbot234 »

klipklop wrote: post #150
VictorPath wrote: post #92

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This is correct. The US does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country. The Taiwanese government doesn't recognize itself as a separate country from mainland China. I guess some people want Apple to have some US ultra-jingoist Opium Wars attitude to China that the US (aside from perhaps Pelosi) does not.

There is a large faction in the US that supports Taiwan independence. This has nothing to do with your claims of colonialism. Some people just want Taiwan free from the CCP. Ask HK how great things are under unification.

> Some people just want Taiwan free from the CCP.

The whole point of Taiwan's stance is that "Are the people of Taipei/Taiwan broadly Chinese, as a matter of culture and national history?" and "Should Taiwan be free from the CCP?" can in fact be separate questions. To many Taiwanese, support for "Taiwan independence" would be tantamount to denying their history and self-experienced identity. A very real sort of oppression.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by mmis1000 »

NhanH wrote: post #143

Officially, Taiwan agree to the “One China” stance. They even agree in the 1992 consensus that RoC and PRC does not agree who is the legitimate government of both mainland China and Taiwan islands, but the One China stance itself is not something in dispute. The constitution of Taiwan claims sovereignty over mainland China, although they added an amendment to differentiate “free area” citizens (Taiwanese) and citizen…

> is invading if Taiwan abandon the stance.

That is never the truth. They threat for armed attack like since forever 'everyday'. To the point people here just outright ignore their claim and do their daily work.

If somebody even be serious about that. Then they would need live in the air-raid shelter everyday. But who would do that?

> similar to a civil war

Hell no, in my 30 years of live, I have nothing to do with PRC at all except saw them on the TV that they will never give up attacking Taiwan.

Discalaimer: I live here.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by lostmsu »

Jugurtha wrote: post #41
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

As a non-aware, are you talking mostly about citizens of Middle East countries?
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