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Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by chitowneats »

andyferris wrote: post #155
chitowneats wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and you used it in a way that made it sound derogatory. "Creole bullshit" I expect the Yankees and the city folk to do this unintentionally, but not one of our own. I have never lived in Silicon Valley. My parents are from N'awlins (New Orleans, Louisiana).

What was said is it sounds like bullshit spouted by investors in a pidgin language they made up. Derogatory intent seems doubtful. TIL creole can be a trigger word. I've only heard it used as "a creole language" and have never even heard anyone use the word relating to its original meaning (though I was vaguely aware of it). Personally, I'm more likely to use the word "creole" than "pidgin language", not sure about o…

Creole itself is not a trigger word.

Considering it as a poster-child or general term for "bastard", "degenerate", "inbred", or "made-up" way of speaking is the issue.

That was the sense I got from the original comment.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by stevenjgarner »

n0tth3dro1ds wrote: post #121
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #81

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Attention is zero-sum. If TikTok is winning, someone else is losing. TikTok now is what Facebook was 10 years ago.

Smartphone attention is not zero sum. Average daily usage could increase with some novel super-addictive app or platform. Smartphone usage probably went up during the pandemic.

"The pandemic boosted global (smartphone) data consumption by more than 30 per cent in 2020" [0]

[0] https://theprint.in/tech/the-covid-19-pandemic-has-led-to-an...

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by robswc »

edmundsauto wrote: post #149
robswc wrote: post #127

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Haha, true! Tbh tho I usually only click on a few of the posts on here, the one's that interest me. The signal to noise ratio just seems awful on tiktok, marginally better on reddit and HN. There you can scan the page and see what interests you. On these new "endless scroll" types you have to at least invest a few seconds time into each video. Say you skip ~10 videos, that's ~10 seconds to just find a 10 second video…

Other humans often perceive updates on their friends, family, and connected entities as much more valuable than the discussion we are having. The most important rule for HN is that this forum and the people on it are not representative of the general population.

For sure... but I wonder just how many people are actually doing that vs mindless scrolling, even on FB.

Especially when it seems these companies are doing everything they can to emulate tiktok.

Again, people can value even mindless scrolling for 6 hours a day. My OP was more about how not even 10 years ago, having quick and mindless content spoon-fed to you was seen as a satirical exaggeration of future humans. We're much closer to that now than we were 10 years ago.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by landryraccoon »

Back around 2009 when Facebook was first becoming ascendant, people wondered if social networks were generational. I.e., would each younger generation be willing to use the same social network as their parents?

I think the de facto surrender of Facebook to TikTok here is evidence that social networks ARE generational. That implies that TikTok may reign supreme for about 20 years, but thereabouts, they'll have to contend with yet another rising challenger.

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Post by dsir »

Figuringitout wrote: post #132
Bjorkbat wrote: post #95

This actually makes me pretty sad. For all of Facebook's ills, it did at least do a good job of keeping me connected with friends before it got weird. Same with Instagram. Twitter is fantastic because it helps me discover new people, new interests, new worlds, in a way. TikTok doesn't feel social at all. It feels entirely too performative. Everything on there is a performance. Everything is an act. Everything is simp…

What does the research show as to why people won't pay a subscription or entertain another type of monetization model?

If you look at platforms like Twitch, Substack, and Patreon, I think it's pretty clear people are willing to entertain other models in large enough volume to support the livelihoods of the recipients. I do find it curious why there isn't a "paid" option from services like Facebook where you pay a monthly fee to essentially opt out of being their product opposed to user and not get targeted with ads. I guess in their case the monetization prospects from the hyper targeting they are able to do is probably too lucrative to even give people the option to opt out of.

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Post by badcarbine »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Poor comparison. McDonalds and Taco Bell are not as culturally divisive as Tik Tok and Facebook. Governments don't request nearly as much sensitive data from fast food chains as they do from modern IT companies. It's more like China having too much power over American citizens and Facebook desperately trying to overtake their market share, either for control or for a platform to fall back on once, or if, Tik Tok were to go under.

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Post by noveltyaccount »

xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

I have two Instagram accounts. One just for my friends and family. And one for mindless content feed, brands, entertainment, etc. The separation has helped me reduce the mindless scrolling amazingly. I log into my friends and family account and catch up in five minutes per day. I very rarely choose to switch to the other account. Splitting into two accounts has been really healthy for me.

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Post by antoineMoPa »

robswc wrote: post #77

I know it sounds dumb but its hard to say we haven't moved closer to what only ~10 years ago we considered a "playful exaggeration" on the worst of humans and social media. In WallE, everyone is floating around in chairs having their content spoon-fed to them with a generous amount of ads mixed in. If you've ever scrolled or seen someone scroll, its kinda close. Just mindlessly moving their thumb up and down, taking…

I like the comparison with Wall-E, but I'm not sure TikTok is worse than watching/zapping television for an hour (regarding your 10% of last hour question). That's what a couple of generations of adults has been doing with their evenings already. Also, your 15 minutes timer seems like a good idea! I should try that.

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Post by danrl »

This Axios „article“ is the written version of a TikTok session, in an ironic turn of events. The bite sized information and the excessive use of bullet points is designed to keep readers engaged in a world driven by ultra short attention spans. I bemoan the lack of a well researched, deep article around this latest pivot of Facebook.

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Post by elevaet »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #79
ulfw wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're basically describing myspace.

I honestly liked MySpace. I think it was superior to Facebook in every way. At least you could enjoy some cool music on someone’s page when you visited it. The page was about them.

Remember how you could customize the css on your myspace? That would be unthinkable nowadays.
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