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Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by yellowapple »

BobLaw wrote: post #83
ribosometronome wrote: post #43

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>I far prefer the transparent pricing of Tesla An interesting comment considering this is above a story of Tesla cutting functionality via a software update for a customer years after purchase and demanding thousands to undo it. That sort of stuff, their lackluster QC and the erratic behavior of the CEO has me pretty skeptical of them as a company.

If you read the story or the comments the car had a 60kwh battery replaced under warranty but only a 90kwh was available. Procedure was to set the battery firmware to 60 kwh but for whatever reason that didn't happen. The car was then sold twice until someone found the discrepancy and fixed it. Nobody received anything less than they paid for from Tesla. The current owner may have been deceived by one of the previous…

If you read the comments, you'd have seen the analogy to Apple repairing a laptop with slightly better parts and then deciding multiple years later to software-nerf it. I don't know about you, but I'd be livid - in both cases.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by yellowapple »

BobLaw wrote: post #138
alasdair_ wrote: post #100

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If it shows up in Tesla’s software as a 90 kwh battery then it is absolutely something you can blame on Tesla.

What kind of insane argument is that? If you order a Toyota Camry and the transporter drops off a Ferrari at your door screaming WELL IT SAYS FERRARI ON RIGHT THERE ON THE CAR isn't in any way a valid argument. They're just going to tell you that's nice but so what that's not where the discrepancy is in the first place. The order says Toyota, the invoice say Toyota, the transport slip says Toyota, etc, etc.

Okay but Ferrari can't remotely turn that Ferrari into a Camry.

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Post by pipeline_peak »

haram_masala wrote: post #160
pipeline_peak wrote: post #70

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Thank you for introducing me to the term scare quotes aka shudder quotes, quibble quotes, and my personal favorite sneer quotes. People here love passive aggression.

If you want to call people out for passive aggression, well, that’s your choice, I guess. Not what I’d do, but hey, whatever makes you happy.

A major part of passive aggression is being subtle with hostility to avoid being exposed. If anything calling it out is poetic justice, but you’re welcome to just let it happen.

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Post by RickJWagner »

frumper wrote: post #91
paulirwin wrote: post #5

I tried to buy one of these this month. The dealership I went to has a policy of not selling over MSRP, which I appreciate. As a result, they are no longer even taking names for the RAV4 Prime waiting list because they estimate the wait is 2-3 years.

I found one last year. It was 7k dealer markup, plus another 3k for various accessories, plus another 2k for an A/C super coolant. They also came in extremely low on a trade-in. I ended up walking and ordering a Model Y. It felt slimy to pay over MSRP. Similar experiences at several ford dealers over mach-e prices.

Good for you!

How are you liking the Y?

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Post by coffee_beqn »

dragontamer wrote: post #82

RAV4 Prime looks good. I probably should plug its competitors: Hyundai Tucson PHEV and Ford Escape PHEV. They're cheaper and roughly the same size. They don't have the insane acceleration of the RAV4 prime, but they accomplish the goal of going from A-to-B with 40ish miles of all electric range + gasoline backup. If you're willing to sacrifice the acceleration, the Hyundai Tucson PHEV should be competitive. Ford Esca…

Very happy with the Escape. I thought I’d miss the 4WD but honestly the one time I drive to the mountains or something is usually in May-September and FWD is perfectly fine for that in the PNW. The 40 mile range is amazing for a mild climate commute and driving around the city. I still haven’t added any gas and I’ve had it for 6 months. I considered the Prime but I cared much more about the price and getting one this year

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Post by BobLaw »

yellowapple wrote: post #162
BobLaw wrote: post #138

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What kind of insane argument is that? If you order a Toyota Camry and the transporter drops off a Ferrari at your door screaming WELL IT SAYS FERRARI ON RIGHT THERE ON THE CAR isn't in any way a valid argument. They're just going to tell you that's nice but so what that's not where the discrepancy is in the first place. The order says Toyota, the invoice say Toyota, the transport slip says Toyota, etc, etc.

Okay but Ferrari can't remotely turn that Ferrari into a Camry.

Nothing happened remotely, the discrepancy was noticed when the car was brought in for a service.

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Post by syntaxing »

nomel wrote: post #152
syntaxing wrote: post #93

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This number is only factoring gas as a energy source. The combined mpg (what they call it when they calculate electric usage too) is easily over 150 mpg which is “cheating”. But to put it into perspective, my car can run over 400 miles on a 11 gallon tank without ever touching an electric outlet.

> This number is only factoring gas as a energy source. Wow, that's great! I didn't realize ICE tech has improved so much. That's better than a new little Ford Fiesta, weighing nearly half as much.

Small hybrids like a Prius can go over 50 mpg consistently. Hybrids are so good from a gas standpoint. At these gas prices, it’s a no brainer to get a hybrid IMO.

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Post by jedberg »

syntaxing wrote: post #62
jedberg wrote: post #7

Makes sense. That car is the perfect car for my family. Electric range is enough to do most of our daily errands, taking the kids to classes, etc. But the gas range is enough to take family road trips. And in my case, it also happens to have 100% support from Openpilot, which is a requirement for me.

I’m honestly not sure how OpenPilot is gonna stay in business on the long run. As others has mentioned, any of the new Toyota cars are eventually going to have encrypted ECUs. Also, I paid like $1K for Ford’s lane centering and it has been amazing on highways. I can’t imagine spending $3K for a comma 3 anymore.

I don't see them being in business long term either as all the cars start adopting their features. But I like the hackability. I actually run a fork right now that gives my Honda superpowers. Couldn't do that with a stock system.
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