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Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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It is a product of deliberate policy, so of course it's true. The policy was to drive working people out of cities and into cars, and it worked. You are living their policy.

No, it's the omnibus grouping of transit focused cities combined with 'look the other way' drug and crime enforcement in those same zones. You literally cannot have both, yet one party has grouped them inseperably

Policy is policy.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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I totally agree, but the reality is that if you don't have a car then you won't be able to easily commute in most cities. I'd love for this to change, but a few individuals choosing to suffer by not having a car isn't going to help anything.

Maybe individualism is the root of the problem?

You might be right, but the United States is a very individualist society, so now the question is essentially how do you reshape a society?

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Have you never accidentally turned onto a one way street when driving somewhere unfamiliar? It has definitely happened to me a couple of times. Humans make mistakes.

Nope. Never. Are you sure you should be driving?

That's great for you!

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Can you explain how Teslas data is cherry picked? Is it unfair to compare crash data for just one particular area? Wouldn’t it make a lot of sense that some roads are inherently more dangerous because of poor designs or conditions?

To me it often feels like they are comparing the best conditions to all conditions. So for self driving only dry overcast well marked roads with no construction or surprises. Where as comparison include all conditions, from blizzard to blinding sunlight in between road construction on poorly maintained roads... So not really apples to apples comparison. Unless FSD is as safe in middle of blizzard when positioning sys…

Why does it "feel" like that? What is known about the sources of the data collected so far?

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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If the pilot turns on autopilot and then stops paying attention, and then the plane crashes, it's absolutely not the manufacturer's fault.

If the pilot turns on autopilot and looks away for 60 seconds he's using it as intended. This is what autopilot means. Cruise control is not autopilot. The only way your comment would make sense would be if the typical environment for a car were a flat plane of asphalt 100s of km across with all other cars having centrally planned routes that were guaranteed by a third party not to intersect and drivers were trained…

If the pilot turns on AP, looks away, and then 30s later crashes into a small aircraft that didn't have their transponder on, is he relived of any responsibility? I don't think so, and am pretty sure there has to be a pilot in the cockpit/controls at all times even while AP is on.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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But if you still hate this so much, you can live far enough from the city that it's not economical to build next door to you, or you can own enough land that it won't be an issue. It appears that couple hours ago you did not count either as a negative externality, are you sure you are arguing in a good faith?

I'm not telling you that you can't live in the country if you prefer that lifestyle. I am saying that you shouldn't be able to dictate the level of density in your current neighborhood just because you are afraid of loud neighbors or you want to create artificial scarcity to inflate the value of your home.

No person dictates that. Zoning is a democratic process i.e. decided by vote.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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FSD has no excuse for it: FSD has a map open in front of it at all times. It knows which roads are one-way before it gets to them.

Why are you assuming that the vehicle was using FSD at the time?

because space man bad

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

#168
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Must be a new definition of "safe": kills drivers, passengers, motorcyclists, people in other cars. Accelerates at concrete freeway barriers. Steers into cars parked off the road.

Yeah because car accidents didn't exist until Musk came along. Get real. Show stats of accidents per 100k miles or gtfo

Or even just fatal failures in the car itself per manufacturer. Spread across all of them, there's been tens of thousands at minimum

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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> The car's autopilot was on at the time of the crash, UHP said. I wonder whether the UHP pulled data from the car to verify this, or just took the driver's word for it.

There's a definite track record of people lying about it to avoid the shame only to later have Tesla come out and say it's not true.
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