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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dubswithus »

hnlmorg wrote: post #128
dubswithus wrote: post #38

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They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you see western governments doing this?

I haven't seen that happen in China either. How do you know it actually happened and wasn't some other rumour spread (since there's a plethora of disinformation both for and against the Chinese government)? To be clear, I'm not in favour of the Chinese regime but your particular point does still require a citation.

Because what I claimed is so outrageous?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c...

I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Schroedingersat »

gambiting wrote: post #61
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

>>Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem The thing is, yes Facebook and Google's data collection is horrendous, but TikTok it literally on another level. Quite a good explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuk...

I'm sure tiktok does a llt worse since that comment was written, but that list is a tiny subset of what facebook has been caught doing in the past and what microsoft, google and apple do now.

The US government do not hold large corportations to account, quite the opposite. They put people in jail for successfully fighting them legally or turn a blind eye when whistleblowers are car bombed. They make deals with facebook and google for the data so they can say 'it's a private company and independent entity'.

China would likely be just as bad if they were as powerful, but from the point of view of most of the world they have stolen far less of our natural resources, killed/deposed far fewer of our democratically elected governments, bought up far less of our media and turned it into propaganda, spied on our citizens less, and abused treaty law to curtail our freedoms far less.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jen20 »

germandiago wrote: post #141
int0x20 wrote: post #77

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I am not for or against russians or ukranians. Think whatever but in a war you are going to see many disgusting things from both sides. It is like that. I declare myself neutral and the last thing I wanted is my country to be involved in this stuff (and others). Of course, at the same time I think that Russian invasion was stupid and a mistake. This is a power game and nothing else. I just want to live normal, not to…

> I am not for or against russians

Assuming you are actually German (based on your username), you really shouldn’t require a particularly deep history lesson to understand why Russia is a problem. Jesus fuck man, the brick line runs through the center of your own capital city.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jacquesm »

germandiago wrote: post #141
int0x20 wrote: post #77

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I am not for or against russians or ukranians. Think whatever but in a war you are going to see many disgusting things from both sides. It is like that. I declare myself neutral and the last thing I wanted is my country to be involved in this stuff (and others). Of course, at the same time I think that Russian invasion was stupid and a mistake. This is a power game and nothing else. I just want to live normal, not to…

> I declare myself neutral

Until it is your ass that's on the line I guess?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Ekaros »

mesh wrote: post #47
cute_boi wrote: post #13

Well, I would say Social Media are unacceptable security risk instead of TikTok. Chinese gov generally can't do anything in US compared to US government, so personally I think facebook is more risky. We need better privacy and social media reform instead of targeting tiktok. Also, why should we listen to Brendan Carr who shouldn't be able to speak for entire FCC. He is from Ajit Pai who takes lobbies from Facebook, M…

>Chinese gov generally can't do anything in US compared to US government, so personally I think facebook is more risky. The Economist discussed this last week: >The bigger, underappreciated problem with TikTok is the chance it offers China to manipulate what the app’s vast foreign audience sees. TikTok has gone beyond sunny entertainment to become a major news platform. Open the app and among the songs and skits you…

On other hand Youtube manipulating what is shown is somewhat observable anyway... So it's not unique.

Maybe in general we should demand absolute neutrality from these platforms. Ban any sort of promotion of certain producers or sides. Or mandate sufficient warnings covering let's say 33% of screen when such is done. Also if there is fact checking offered it should be open to any actor.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dubswithus »

modo_mario wrote: post #104
dubswithus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you see western governments doing this?

>See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you happen to have a decent source for that since it seems rather weird given China's gov stance on covid.

China’s stance on Covid is that America is responsible. I’ll update with the wechat source when I find it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by cudgy »

daptaq wrote: post #139
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

I am probably being naive, but I'd like to see the banning of TikTok as a precedence case for the banning of other abusive networks in the future, whatever country they may operate from.

Wouldn’t that be great? Unfortunately, unless it benefits the critical stakeholders (eg military complex and corporate elite), actions like this will be discriminatory, selective and rare.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by RealStickman_ »

fsflover wrote: post #87
plugger wrote: post #59

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Conversely, if you're an American in America who doesn't travel abroad what is the threat TikTok poses when compared to the FAANGs? Given the cozy relationship between the US and FAANGs I think it's possible to argue that unfettered government access to FAANG data is more of a threat (to the average US citizen) when compared to the Chinese government having access to your user data via TikTok. But I'm not set on any…

>if you're an American in America who doesn't travel abroad what is the threat TikTok poses when compared to the FAANGs? They could intentionally influence the public opinion about anything, e.g., elections.

I'm pretty sure Facebook's already been doing that the past few years.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by klodolph »

germandiago wrote: post #129
klodolph wrote: post #101

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> I really do not accept that, I want to have friends from wherever, go with whoever and do business with whom I deem appropriate without asking permission to anyone. The reason that systems of economic sanctions exist is to provide alternatives to war. Europe learned some very rough lessons in the 20th century and earlier, leading up to the formation of the EU and before that the formation of the UN. These instituti…

> The reason that systems of economic sanctions exist is to provide alternatives to war I am not talking about this. I am talking about the fact that it is an oligarchy who chooses whether we go to war or not. I do not think most spanish think that Spain should be involved in a war that is at the other side of Europe where either of those country did anything to us. This is what I mean. These wars respond to oligarch…

This is how governments behaved in 1930, and bad things happened.

If we are going to make mistakes, I hope we make new mistakes, instead of making the same mistakes from 100 years ago.

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