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Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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> Upwork just banned all Russian accounts(Jews will be next, I think) What the fuck, man?

Just to add more information. They stopped sending money to Russia and Belarus but definitely there are Russians in the platform but living or at least having an address somewhere else. Recently I saw a job with preferred location set to Russia. Upwork had to comply with sanctions nonetheless.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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Sure, but, frankly? That is a form of psychopathy. Please don't take that offensively. I'm not throwing the word around. I don't mean "evil". I don't think it's "evil", I'm even jealous. Not just of money. Of the rationality. The rest of us don't do this stuff because we'd feel horribly bad for doing it, to the point benefits would outweigh the costs. I'd hazard a guess that most people would also say it was fine giv…

OP's getting dunked on but he has a point: There are no consequences anymore for wrongdoing, unless it's one of a few very specific (often mortally violent) wrongdoings. So, the wrongdoers get a major advantage with no risk. To be honest, sometimes I feel like a sucker for not taking advantage. The whole spectrum from "criminal" to "mere asshole" goes unpunished. I could walk into a store in San Francisco today, righ…

You assume society functioned a lot better historically.

I don't think it did. We forget that a few as 60 years ago, a person could rape a woman and she might be pressured to marry him to save face. Unless the accused rapist were black and then you would go find a tree to hang him and a couple friends from, whether or not he was guilty.

Scams are not new. Get rich schemes like crypto have been around forever. Same with scam medical treatments, fraudulent investments, abuses of power, skimming inventory, etc. Yes, we are worse on shoplifting now than we previously were, but the rest all happened before, at scale.

People have very rosy views of the past and their fellow humans. It is all a lie. It has long been the human way to ignore wrongdoing as it is too much work to fight over or pretend it does not exist.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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If you can prove you've suffered damages due to this (which maybe you can, if it affected your employment), you could sue John Doe, which would get you subpoena power against OKCupid. You probably wouldn't be able to collect from the scammer (who is likely in another country), but I guarantee you'll get OKCupid's legal department's attention, and they might be able to put a stop to it. The lawsuit would also create a…

Thank you. I hadn't considered legal options. I would prefer not to have a public lawsuit attached to my name -- I know, that's the point, but I don't want to call attention to this. I'm thinking about doing something private but formalized, like having a lawyer send a letter to OKCupid summarizing recent events and demanding they take down profiles impersonating me. I could share that letter with my (new) employer i…

> but I don't want to call attention to this

I mean, neither does OKCupid. If they don't want to play ball, going wide (notably, with an attorney) only seems to benefit you: current and future employers see it's not actually you doing this, OKCupid risks losing the only thing they want (women that trust the app), and other women get a heads up.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I am not affiliated with it at all, but I am considering using a service like https://www.idcheck.io/ for my own business. Sure there are a lot of users that find such things invasive, but I have had a lot of our users ask for stronger user verification. It would be a great solution to Musk's bot problem with Twitter. Anyone have experience with such a service?

At 2 euros per identification I can probably tell you why Twitter doesn't use it for their 330 million MAU.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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> However, there's a lot of forensic evidence suggesting that they farmed the edit out to more than one person (which would explain the inconsistent apparent level of skill and care). I'm sorry about your experience. But you might be interested in knowing that that phenomenon goes way back -- a lot of the "old masters" paintings were done by apprentice artists working under some level of supervision from the "named"…

It's also literally the modus operandi of every consulting firm ever; bring in the A team to sell and seal the deal, and then farm it off to the lowest possible team they can find.

Moreso for enterprise software. Often the "farming off" is to developers in another, poorer, country.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I'm looking for advice on a similar issue. Somebody is impersonating me on dating sites and blackmailing women. They convince their victims to send nude photos, and then they threaten to send the photos to their families. The scammer (or scammers) use photos of me that used to be publicly available on social media. They also use my real name, presumably so that the victims see a legitimate LinkedIn profile when they…

The issue with pushing this responsibility onto companies if that they can only help with reactive measures. They can't easily take a proactive approach. How does a company prove someone is not who they say they are when all they require is an email and maybe a name to create an account?

At best, they can make it slightly harder to impersonate a user by requiring MFA and detecting duplicate accounts (ie, accounts using the same picture). I think stuff like this will only get worse over time.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I disagree. Start your own business and you'll see the pain that this kind of shenanigans causes. Your problem is your lack of experience is also giving you a lack of empathy.

If they had a problem with me, I am sure that my performance would be complained about by now.

A person is more than the job they do. I'll take the honest less-capable person over the shyster top performer any day.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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Refusing to be on web cam without a compelling reason is a huge red flag by itself.

I very seldom feel inclined to refuse , but I even more seldom feel comfortable on camera. Which is to say in most circumstances I avoid being on camera when I can. I’ve been remote most of my career, nothing changed the last few years to introduce new stressors around this. I just don’t like being on video, or interacting with other people on video. It gives me a firm but unspecific sense of unease is unlikely to be…

Sure, I relate: but would you comply if asked for webcam on for an interview for a remote position?
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