Honest question: How is Telegram better than Signal? Is Signal not the best in term of security and privacy?
700M users and Premium
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
>...and yes, nobody of them used Secret chats... Pretty much no one does any sort of identity verification anyway on any E2EE messaging system. So that means that the people running the servers can MITM if they feel like it to get the content. So in practice Telegram might be the best of something or another for all it matters. It's sort of a con. Yes our E2EE encryption app is perfectly secure assuming you do this t…
> Pretty much no one does any sort of identity verification anyway on any E2EE messaging system. So that means that the people running the servers can MITM if they feel like it to get the content. The fact that anybody can verify keys raises the stakes of attempting a MITM attack significantly and thus protects the majority that doesn't verify keys themselves.
Sure it is a good feature to have, but this sort of attack is going to be targeted. You don't do it to everyone. In the unlikely event you do get caught then you can act dumb in almost all cases. Blame Pegasus or whatever...
Re: 700M users and Premium
#163Honest question: How is Telegram better than Signal? Is Signal not the best in term of security and privacy?
Signal is not as convenient. People want convenience.
Re: 700M users and Premium
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Pretty much no one does any sort of identity verification anyway on any E2EE messaging system. So that means that the people running the servers can MITM if they feel like it to get the content. The fact that anybody can verify keys raises the stakes of attempting a MITM attack significantly and thus protects the majority that doesn't verify keys themselves.
Sure it is a good feature to have, but this sort of attack is going to be targeted. You don't do it to everyone. In the unlikely event you do get caught then you can act dumb in almost all cases. Blame Pegasus or whatever...
I have no illusions about being able to keep a nation state attacker off my devices, but not having all of my correspondence shared with all kinds of third parties by default sure feels nice.
Re: 700M users and Premium
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> This isn't really something we have a problem with in the UK. I'm sure there are some, but the bulk of our issues are growing far-right, nationalist, and/or authoritarian groups Are we talking about the same United Kingdom as the one where Yougov has been doing polls on the subject of extremism [1]? If so I wonder what gives you the impression that the bulk of [y]our issues are growing far-right, nationalist, and/o…
This is a survey on public perceptions. Not actual threats.
Can you show a survey of actual threats which supports the thesis that left-wing extremism is as insignificant as you claim it to be? From what I am able to see there is not that much difference between the two.
Here's a recent report on left-wing extremism in the United Kingdom:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
I have not found a similar study on far-right extremism but there is a report giving an overview of the far right:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
Reading these reports shows that political violence currently is at a low level in the UK but that it is on the rise internationally which has the potential to lead to an increase both on the far-left as well as the far-right side.
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I have started getting WhatsApp spam …
No!! The only spam I've gotten so far is recruiters who do actually have my number but who I really don't want messages from on WhatsApp.
I have had countless spam messages from unknown numbers (usually with a different calling code) on WhatsApp.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
They will start the rolling out in the next days.
Oh that "This update is being rolled out gradually" refers to the payment becoming available? I thought it was about the text it belongs with, speaking of "over 100 fixes and optimizations" and other stuff, and that the subscription was available now (since "Today we're launching Telegram Premium" in bold up top). Confusing, but thanks for the reply!
If you have an iOS device, you can force the app store to refresh and update Telegram. Then once updated, in the app under settings, you can select Telegram Premium and pay with Apple Pay
Re: 700M users and Premium
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh that "This update is being rolled out gradually" refers to the payment becoming available? I thought it was about the text it belongs with, speaking of "over 100 fixes and optimizations" and other stuff, and that the subscription was available now (since "Today we're launching Telegram Premium" in bold up top). Confusing, but thanks for the reply!
If you have an iOS device, you can force the app store to refresh and update Telegram. Then once updated, in the app under settings, you can select Telegram Premium and pay with Apple Pay
Not on iOS but thanks!
I wonder if it'll come to the f-droid version, but otherwise I'm still using the official desktop client so it should be possible there.
Re: 700M users and Premium
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Better a GRU-managed honey pot than a CIA-managed honey pot. My country is a vassal to the US, not the Russians, and GRU power over me is considerably less threatening.
I feel the same way about TikTok. I'd rather have a Hong Kong based company with a threat of Chinese interception because I don't give a shit if the Chinese have my data (at least I dont yet). I do care about using US/Canada/UK/German/etc apps where you know at least 75% of your data is ending up in some database of a country you live in or your country is has a free-wheeling data sharing policy (with some rubber sta…
How is TikTok a Hong Kong based company?
Re: 700M users and Premium
#170Telegram blows my mind. Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. Discord is a close second. But the quality and polish of telegram blows me away to this day. And it’s lots of small features and details such as built in translation for messages in a foreign language, all the smooth animations, quick look and summaries of channels with agg…
> Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. That is precisely because they don't give a shit about security. While others like Whatsapp bother with e2ee and resulting device sync problems and inability to do server-side search, Telegram just stores everything on a server without (meaningful) encryption and boldly claims that 'it is the mo…
WhatsApp is not e2ee. When Facebook displays advertising based on conversations in what’s app. You will never convince me it’s e2ee. It’s fake privacy.