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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by CWuestefeld »

xhrpost wrote: post #140
wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.

Isn't this what happened to products like PKZip and Lotus 1-2-3? Seems like there's ample precedent.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mjw1007 »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #158
pavlov wrote: post #142

There was a time in 1998-99 when Internet Explorer 4 / 5 was actually the best browser by far. Netscape 4 was unstable and had completely botched all the fancy new features: its implementation of CSS (brand new at the time) was so bad that even font sizes didn't work right, its homegrown "layers" API for JavaScript DOM access was awful, and many web developers were wishing they could somehow get away with only suppor…

> There was a time in 1998-99 when Internet Explorer 4 / 5 was actually the best browser by far. Especially the Mac version of IE 5. Tasman was such a breath of fresh air. I never understood why they didn't use that engine everywhere.

The obvious reason is that the people with decision-making power actively wanted people to be locked in to Internet Explorer (and so Windows), so Tasman's improved standards-compliance was a negative.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by Bluecobra »

wakeupcall wrote: post #93
open-paren wrote: post #34

I argue that moving it “out of support” doesn't mean anything for what browsers you have to support. Users and businesses still using IE11 aren't exactly those that are on the top of their IT policy game, so I doubt they will be jumping when the browser is “no longer supported by Microsoft.”

You can now brag that the software is out of support. Which yeah, doesn't mean absolutely anything for existing software that is still working and requires the old version to run. If by any chanche you need to support that configuration, the "official" deprecation simply means "good luck!" and a pat on the back. Just like XP, I've seen plenty of shops with custom software that still requires XP+IE6+activex that still…

Heck, I've heard of DOS still being used in industrial applications. If it ain't broken, don't fix it... though I would hope these systems are air-gapped from the rest of the world and not connected to any network.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by hbn »

tablespoon wrote: post #92
currysausage wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ctrl+F is your friend: "For certain versions of Windows currently in-support and used in critical environments, we will continue to support Internet Explorer on those versions until they go out of support. These include all currently in-support Windows 10 LTSC releases (including IoT) and all Windows Server versions, as well as Windows 10 China Government Edition, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 with Extended Security Upd…

> Windows 10 China Government Edition https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/05/23/annou... : > The Windows 10 China Government Edition is based on Windows 10 Enterprise Edition, which already includes many of the security, identity, deployment, and manageability features governments and enterprises need. The China Government Edition will use these manageability features to remove features that are not need…

I love how their new hardware announcement is just tacked onto the end of the announcement of Windows 10 China Government Edition.

Why would you even announce something like this in a cute PR blog post? Only thing I could think of is it's to impress shareholders with the fact that they're trusted by a rich and powerful government organization. Maybe that's a good enough reason alone.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

tiborsaas wrote: post #66

If you have some time between two cocktails while celebrating, do your visitors a favour and add this meta tag to your : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/ie_standards/ms-i... This will make IE very insisting to upgrade to Edge if possible.

"Google Chrome Frame was discontinued in January 2014" https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22059060/is-it-still-val...

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by deckard1 »

xhrpost wrote: post #140
wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.

that was the point. The entire point of IE was to embrace and extinguish the nascent web. With Netscape being cross-platform and the rise of Java, MS was feeling the threat to their Windows platform. Apple is doing a similar thing with Safari. Their App Store is their money maker. It's the whole reason they force Firefox and Chrome to use standards-lagging and neutered WebKit on iOS.

Google doesn't like the web, either. They control it at both ends. Search and the browser. Every web site today is built to conform to Google's blackbox SEO cargo cult. And Google performs an update regularly to their algorithm. At which point all websites have to do an SEO dance and hope it rains again. Google does this to prevent people from focusing on other search engines. If you always have to update for Google, then there is no time to focus on Bing or other avenues. Chrome also keeps people on Google search.

We don't have an open web today. We have three platforms. We have the Microsoft Windows platform, the Apple App Store platform, and the Google Web Platform.

And Facebook basically learned the lessons AOL failed to, on how to operate a walled garden on the internet.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by krylon »

yaseer wrote: post #156
benoketamad wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...

Microsoft's leadership and strategy has evolved under Nadella, at least enough to produce quality products like VSCode, and 'good enough' products like WSL. I say this as someone who has historically been very anti-Microsoft, that used to do all my work in Linux. Modern Windows with VSCode, running WSL, is something the Microsoft of the IE6 era would never have produced.

It's true.

I'm using Linux and/or BSD on all my private machines, but from an outsider's perspective Microsoft appears to have undergone some significant changes since Nadella took over. From what I know, if someone had suggested making the .Net runtime open source in, say, 2008, under Ballmer, they would have been treated like a heretic.

There's still plenty to complain about, it's gotten more nuanced.

Also, it's important to keep in mind that Microsoft - and surely many other companies of that size - are like a feudal system internally, with different teams/divisions doing things their own way, not necessarily playing nice with the others if it doesn't suit their own agenda.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by ehPReth »

timeimp wrote: post #5

Does anyone work in an “enterprise” environment who have been dreading this day? Any apps / mainframes / industrials systems that needs IE to run?

not dreading it, but we do have a couple of older photocopiers (with no fw updates) that won't let us do things like add emails to the address book without IE
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