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US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The West could've ended this war by now if they just went all in on sending howitzers, MLRS and other heavy equipment into Ukraine but they keep slow dripping it, or just doing nothing like Germany. The most powerful societies in the world history just twiddle their thumbs while negative consequences keep mounting.

Upthread there was talk of the US glowing at night. This is how the US ends up glowing at night.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The hypocrisy needs to be called out. Just a few months back US put a lot of pressure on countries like India to not buy Russian oil but now it's ready to buy Russian fertilizers? US media played along with multiple reports on India buying oil when Europe was buying in much larger quantities. Countries like India should buy cheap oil from where ever they can since inflation due to high oil prices can kill people. I a…

> The hypocrisy needs to be called out It's only hypocrisy if you assume there are some greater moral principles driving the behavior of nations. There's not. The US puts pressure on people to do what it wants, just like every other country does in proportion to its power. The US just happens to be a global hegemon so it's gets what it wants more often than not, and has disproportionate control over the narrative of…

US has made the "moral argument" to persuade India from not buying Russian oil

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2022/india-abroad/india-s-oil-p...

"India's oil purchases from Russia would not violate any of the sanctions imposed by the US on that country, according to President Joe Biden's Spokesperson Jen Psaki.

Asked during her briefing on Tuesday about reports that India was planning to buy "discounted crude oil' from Russia, she said, "Our message to any country continues to be that obviously abide by the sanctions that we have put in place and recommended."

However, she added, "I don't believe this would be violating that."

Making a moral appeal to cut off petroleum commerce, she added, "But also think about where you want to stand when the history books are written. In this moment in time any support for Russia, the Russian leadership, is support for an invasion that obviously is having a devastating impact".

However, NATO allies of the US continue to import Russian gas and petroleum."

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Then what are you suggesting? That Putin ought to be allowed to do literally anything he wants because if we tried to stop him he might nuke everyone?

> allowed to do literally anything Uh, yeah? If you have nukes you can pretty much do whatever you want, short of launching them at another nuclear power. That's just like, reality. Remember this the next time everyone bellyaches about "unfair sanctions" or whatever when some country even hints that they're pursuing a nuclear program.

And if you don't have nukes, nuclear powers can do pretty much anything they wsant to you. As we have seen in Lybia, Serbia, Iraq, Syria. So don't be surprised when another country is rushing for nukes at all cost. These are the only thing that protect you against the West.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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post #62

Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT has only strengthened their ties to India and China. Russia is still invading Ukraine, and now we're dealing with soaring food and energy prices at home. At some point you have to consider whether this level of diplomatic incompetence is intentional.

Since RUB exchange is so constrained, its "market rate" is also meaningless. I too can issue a currency, set its value at 1,000,000 USD per unit and declare monopoly in trading it.

Lol. Literally just bough a flagship phone from China at a market rate price. (QIWI payment system) Ruble go up, might as well buy a 3080ti next time.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The US government has completely lost the ability to act strategically. Biden is currently in Saudi Arabia begging for more oil production, meanwhile he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. So, instead of fixing our own problem with inflation, we're asking one of the worst regimes on Earth for help and enriching Russia with higher prices simultaneously. Even if you support greener energy, li…

This entire thing has been some kind of bizarre politics induced self flagellation. Regardless of whether or not you think it is right or wrong, it has been no secret for decades that this conflict would be an outcome of Ukraine alignment with the west, yet the west continued to pursue it even after 2014, even with the huge increased dependency on Russian and Ukrainian resources while limiting domestic investment in energy because of ESG policies. And this is just the sprinkle on top of the inflation sundae that they have cooked up these last couple years.

Now everyone is in too deep with costs so high, there is limited ability to back out and save face and spin the story without it looking like the massive screw up with huge costs and limited benefit that it has been. At the end of the day, we are going to get a global recession and mass food insecurity and starvation in the global south for what?

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Since RUB exchange is so constrained, its "market rate" is also meaningless. I too can issue a currency, set its value at 1,000,000 USD per unit and declare monopoly in trading it.

How many ft3 of gas are you selling daily?

Can the gas coupons be used for buying consumer goods? Right now doesn't seem to be the case. Money flows one way. Since Russians don't produce anything except raw materials, high currency value doesn't matter since they can't spend it.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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post #62

Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT has only strengthened their ties to India and China. Russia is still invading Ukraine, and now we're dealing with soaring food and energy prices at home. At some point you have to consider whether this level of diplomatic incompetence is intentional.

> Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years Is that meant to demonstrate economic strength? * Russians have massive amount of brain drain. Most of tech employees have left, leaving only people extracting oil, people who turn it into fertilizer and gasoline and supporting roles. * They can't build military tech because of sanctions. Starting to use 1950s and 1960s tanks. * They've privatized and violate…

>Most of tech employees have left

That's not quite true, as an engineer in Russia, I'm not witnessing massive exodus (yet?)

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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And I, as an European, hate EU government for taking a self destructive way of introducing various sanctions that affect lives of the EU citizens in a very negative ways, without doing anything to help their proclaimed goals. At this point I am not sure if they are stupid, evil, corrupt or they just despise and hate their citizens. Or maybe all of that. You Americans are least have a pragmatic government that at leas…

You, as a European, must know that this problem has been brewing for years, since the Germans decided to turn off their nuclear plants and use Russian natural gas instead,right? Right!? Oh and, the US didn’t mandate Germany to do this, its voters did.

This bullshit again. Nuclear power was 20% of Germany's electricity production and Germany replaced it with renewables. When Germany turned off its nuclear power plants, imports from Russia decreased for several years. Over the past 25 years, the only country where Germany has been importing more gas from is Norway.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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post #96
post #62

Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT has only strengthened their ties to India and China. Russia is still invading Ukraine, and now we're dealing with soaring food and energy prices at home. At some point you have to consider whether this level of diplomatic incompetence is intentional.

Good luck finding US dollars for the official rates: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-17/in-ussr-f...

Why would we need dollar when ruble go up? Literally don't remember last time buying goods from China was this cheap.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

#170
post #62

Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years. Cutting Russia off from SWIFT has only strengthened their ties to India and China. Russia is still invading Ukraine, and now we're dealing with soaring food and energy prices at home. At some point you have to consider whether this level of diplomatic incompetence is intentional.

> Meanwhile RUB to USD is at its highest in nearly 5 years Is that meant to demonstrate economic strength? * Russians have massive amount of brain drain. Most of tech employees have left, leaving only people extracting oil, people who turn it into fertilizer and gasoline and supporting roles. * They can't build military tech because of sanctions. Starting to use 1950s and 1960s tanks. * They've privatized and violate…

It hurts the Russian, but the Russian lived in the Soviet Union and survived the Crazy 90s. They can suffer way more than Westerns spoiled by prosperity.

And the best thing - rich Russian escaping Russia end up being sanctioned, hence, many stay.

Let's see who can suffer more: Westerns + accepting a global food crisis with millions of dead people in the Third world (thanks to the sanctions, NOT the war per se) or the Russians who lived like shit before and know that this is yet another round of sufferings.

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