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Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Re: Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Post by RosanaAnaDana »

ararar wrote: post #149
mbrundle wrote: post #2

This reminds me of the scene in The Abyss where the rat is forced to breathe in oxygen-rich perfluorocarbons[1]. I think this idea of introducing oxygen through perfluorocarbons has been explored but not sure it’s made much headway in humans to date [2]. This paper seems like a clever idea to introduce the liquid anally where oxygen can diffuse through the linings, and to also use same liquid (because of its viscosit…

Why can't this be repurposed as a lung cleanse? I imagine that heavy smokers' lungs (or coal miners') could benefit from a wash and rinse, perhaps with some vibration assistance. With a medical team standing by to resuscitate.

Might cause more damage on the way out.

Re: Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Post by sweetheart »

peheje wrote: post #157
sweetheart wrote: post #120

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If only human beings could live long, happy, healthy lives while avoiding animal products! Oh, wait. And it's not just meat, either. Milk, cheese, leather, gelatin, etc. We subject billions of animals to truly nightmarish torture and 99% of us don't ever really stop to consider it.

Can milk be ethical?

I personally don't think so, unless in life-threatening situations.

The dairy industry is arguably the worst of factory farming: all the horrific aspects of the meat industry, but prepended with years of subjugation (forced insemination, illness, etc.)

In the best case, a cow is treated like a pet, which A.) is never the case, and B.) still necessitates taking something from an animal without it's consent. Something that is specifically for it's newborn, as well. That's _always_ gonna be wrong, unless it's a matter of life and death for someone.

Re: Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

justinc8687 wrote: post #138
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #103

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I had antibiotics induced digestive problems too. I saw a specialist and the treatment was another cocktail of antibiotics. It worked immediately after taking the first dose.

What kind of specialist was this?

A gastroenterologist.

Re: Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Post by virgildotcodes »

lm28469 wrote: post #135
whythre wrote: post #132

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The ones I am familiar with involve cattle being instantly killed by a high pressure tap delivered between the eyes. Gruesome aspects of butchery like disemboweling happens after the creatures are dead, not before.

Oh yeah that's what I thought too, just buy the "premium" meat, they surely take care of their animal, after all that's what they base their whole image on. Then you see a few leaked videos from "ultra ethical cruelty free 3000" slaughterhouses and you understand it's just marketing BS. This is from one of France's "cruelty free" slaughterhouses, focusing on "animal well being" which is supposedly more "responsible"…

I mean even buying straight from small farms the meat isn't cruelty free. The small farms still primarily ship their animals for slaughter to the same slaughterhouses, or "best case" scenario they slit the animals' throats themselves.

Would you consider having your throat slit to be a cruelty free way to die? Watch some videos of Chechen soldiers having their throats slit, or people being killed in that fashion by Isis, and tell me if it seems cruelty free to you.

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Post by refurb »

shkkmo wrote: post #152
refurb wrote: post #137

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Ive done animal experiments. All the rats were unconscious.

I've assisted with animal experiments as well, they were not unconscious.

Then you’re aware of the standards? Any discomfort has to be justified by the value of the data?

And generally if you can relieve discomfort then it’s a requirement?

The fact you said “limit the abuse” makes me think you aren’t that familiar. No “abuse” is allowed.

Re: Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Post by shkkmo »

refurb wrote: post #167
shkkmo wrote: post #152

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I've assisted with animal experiments as well, they were not unconscious.

Then you’re aware of the standards? Any discomfort has to be justified by the value of the data? And generally if you can relieve discomfort then it’s a requirement? The fact you said “limit the abuse” makes me think you aren’t that familiar. No “abuse” is allowed.

Just be because abuse has been justified doesn't make it not abuse.

Re: Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

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Post by refurb »

shkkmo wrote: post #168
refurb wrote: post #167

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Then you’re aware of the standards? Any discomfort has to be justified by the value of the data? And generally if you can relieve discomfort then it’s a requirement? The fact you said “limit the abuse” makes me think you aren’t that familiar. No “abuse” is allowed.

Just be because abuse has been justified doesn't make it not abuse.

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Post by tirwander »

Fargoan wrote: post #159
andrew_ wrote: post #153

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Why would you even waste your time looking into it? Of course it's animal abuse.

I mean those rats thought they were being submerged in water. They know they can't breathe in water. They were freaking out.
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