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Re: 15.ai

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Post by redredrobot »

deeplearner1 wrote: post #112
redredrobot wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author took someone else's IP as training data, trained a model on someone else's compute, and then gets extremely bent out of shape when others use the model without crediting them?

This entire thread is honestly so disturbing, this comment especially. Not only is it rife with misinformation (using copyrighted material for training is totally legal and the whole project is paid out of pocket), but is it really that big of a deal to want credit for the work they’ve done? The developer has had their work stolen by companies, influencers, and grifters, and people here are getting pissy that they ca…

You're right about the compute part being wrong. I never said it wasn't legal, just that they took someone else's work to train it. I would hope that voice synthesis is illegal without permission from the voice's owner, but I imagine it is untested so far.

But it's not just about the popup - it 's more that when your work is fundamentally about using reusing someone else's character, it feels pretty hypocritical to be so focused on making sure you get credit.

Re: 15.ai

#162

Post by deeplearner1 »

redredrobot wrote: post #161
deeplearner1 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This entire thread is honestly so disturbing, this comment especially. Not only is it rife with misinformation (using copyrighted material for training is totally legal and the whole project is paid out of pocket), but is it really that big of a deal to want credit for the work they’ve done? The developer has had their work stolen by companies, influencers, and grifters, and people here are getting pissy that they ca…

You're right about the compute part being wrong. I never said it wasn't legal, just that they took someone else's work to train it. I would hope that voice synthesis is illegal without permission from the voice's owner, but I imagine it is untested so far. But it's not just about the popup - it 's more that when your work is fundamentally about using reusing someone else's character, it feels pretty hypocritical to b…

Just curious. Do you feel the same way about DALL-E and Imagen?

Re: 15.ai

#163

Post by redredrobot »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #41

The copyright laws around this are fascinating. They're adamant it must be non-commercial, they must be credited, and it can't be mixed with any other generated content. Meanwhile their content is exclusively derived from popular commercial products. Oh and they also make money via Patreon donations. I dunno. Feels a little gross to me. Eventually there is going to be a big copyright case about a model trained with c…

I would imagine it will end with a similar outcome to video game likenesses - a person owns their likeness and you can't create products that includes their likeness without their consent.

Re: 15.ai

#164

Post by bilekas »

deeplearner1 wrote: post #112
redredrobot wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author took someone else's IP as training data, trained a model on someone else's compute, and then gets extremely bent out of shape when others use the model without crediting them?

This entire thread is honestly so disturbing, this comment especially. Not only is it rife with misinformation (using copyrighted material for training is totally legal and the whole project is paid out of pocket), but is it really that big of a deal to want credit for the work they’ve done? The developer has had their work stolen by companies, influencers, and grifters, and people here are getting pissy that they ca…

I share this sentiment entirely. There seems to be a growing trend on HN that negativity is popular. A project like this, to me at least, would seem to be right up HN's street.

Shame to see the toxicity over a passion project, whos creator generously went out of his way to answer the questions and ridiculous comments.

Re: 15.ai

#165

Post by vsnf »

15ai wrote: post #159
junon wrote: post #156

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Despite others here, I personally certainly think this is admirable. I've played with your models a long time ago with some colleagues of mine and we were all shocked how good it was, and that it was free. I'm no stranger to passion projects, I have a lot of respect for people like you. This is great stuff.

Thank you for the kind words. I know that HN is a tough crowd to please (I myself as well), so I hope that my next update will be well worth working for.

The Rise model in particular is amazingly good quality. I pranked a friend with some text from her a few minutes ago and he chastised me for wasting my money on hiring voice actors just to troll him.

So, excellent job.

Re: 15.ai

#166

Post by redredrobot »

deeplearner1 wrote: post #162
redredrobot wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right about the compute part being wrong. I never said it wasn't legal, just that they took someone else's work to train it. I would hope that voice synthesis is illegal without permission from the voice's owner, but I imagine it is untested so far. But it's not just about the popup - it 's more that when your work is fundamentally about using reusing someone else's character, it feels pretty hypocritical to b…

Just curious. Do you feel the same way about DALL-E and Imagen?

If they are used in a tool that lets you generate someone's likeness as part of user-specified new content, yes. But unlike 15.ai that isn't their core purpose and no such tool exists.

Re: 15.ai

#167

Post by jordanwallwork »

Akronymus wrote: post #157

Is there a way to retrieve a list of all the possible random sample texts? I tried going through the JS, but vue is too confusing for my small brain.

Just search the source for one of the random texts, they're all just there in an array

Re: 15.ai

#168

Post by redredrobot »

bilekas wrote: post #164
deeplearner1 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This entire thread is honestly so disturbing, this comment especially. Not only is it rife with misinformation (using copyrighted material for training is totally legal and the whole project is paid out of pocket), but is it really that big of a deal to want credit for the work they’ve done? The developer has had their work stolen by companies, influencers, and grifters, and people here are getting pissy that they ca…

I share this sentiment entirely. There seems to be a growing trend on HN that negativity is popular. A project like this, to me at least, would seem to be right up HN's street. Shame to see the toxicity over a passion project, whos creator generously went out of his way to answer the questions and ridiculous comments.

I think there are a bunch of people who consider this work unethical or at least deeply in the grey. The negativity isn't that surprising

Re: 15.ai

#169

Post by deeplearner1 »

redredrobot wrote: post #168
bilekas wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share this sentiment entirely. There seems to be a growing trend on HN that negativity is popular. A project like this, to me at least, would seem to be right up HN's street. Shame to see the toxicity over a passion project, whos creator generously went out of his way to answer the questions and ridiculous comments.

I think there are a bunch of people who consider this work unethical or at least deeply in the grey. The negativity isn't that surprising

Making things up out of thin air like “the creator used someone else’s compute” goes beyond negativity because someone thinks the project is in the grey. That is just straight up disinformation.

Re: 15.ai

#170

Post by Akronymus »

jordanwallwork wrote: post #167
Akronymus wrote: post #157

Is there a way to retrieve a list of all the possible random sample texts? I tried going through the JS, but vue is too confusing for my small brain.

Just search the source for one of the random texts, they're all just there in an array

Oh, thanks I must've missed it.
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