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Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#161
Keep this in mind:

In a large organization, NO SINGLE PERSON makes a decision. It's THE PROCESS that makes the decision. And THE PROCESS takes time. One of the greatest skills you can learn at a large organization is identifying, bypassing and avoiding THE PROCESS. It can be done, you just need to figure out how.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

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Friction is a continuum. As the company gets smaller, the amount of friction gets lower. Also it depends on what you do for the company, putting a button on the front page of Amazon.com has more friction than putting a button on an internal service support tool or a test tool. That is to say Big companies can be OK if you land in the right department.

Yes, that's probably true, but ... as somebody who actually put a button on the front page of Amazon.com (back in 2010-ish, I wrote the presentation code for an MP3 sample player for album recommendations) it was actually pretty low friction. Write code, test it locally, deploy it as an A/B test, test was not negative - ship it. The only people I had to talk to were translators for internationalization. There was a t…

> Shipping stuff at Amazon was easy.

This might have been true years ago, but my recent experience has sadly been the opposite. e.g. on the projects I worked involving the website, testing locally has been virtually impossible.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#163
Is this about the same for BigTechCos as much as BigRegularCos?

I've done work for big insurance companies, "tech companies" like Verizon, or big soda companies, and they're as high friction as you'd expect. Somehow I imagined BigTechCos to use better tools and be nimbler on decision-making, letting employees make their own decisions without as much oversight.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

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It took me a long time to figure this out, but the BigCo friction does come with benefits. Particularly benefits of scale and risk reduction. Need your app localized? Surprise, that happens automatically with BigCo processes. Didn’t think about GDPR compliance? Surprise, part of the delay you’re experiencing is that review. Need an awareness campaign? There’s a whole marketing team to help you with that. Thing big an…

Yup, exactly. The complexities of both running a large operation and operating globally are vastly greater than a small operation. Simply the number of nodes that must communicate has a combinatorial explosion. So, there needs to be a standard way of dealing with that, or entropy also explodes. So, bureaucracy happens, with processes that sorta fit everyone but rarely exactly fit, so friction increases. A saying I he…

> A saying I heard from Africa: "If you want to go fast, go alone, if you want to go far, go together".

Love this! Definitely gonna use this sometime.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#165
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I've come to prefer working in companies that are between Series A and Series B funding: After Series A is when the startups really have money for compensation. Series B is where companies start implementing bureaucracy like OKRs, permissions for everything and the org chart starts getting deep.

Interesting. How can one identify what Series a company is? Ask during interview?

Sure you can ask . Another way is lookin for the company through crunchbase , they often show in what series is the company currently.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#166
Interesting that this is so complicated in a big Bay Area tech company.

At a fruit-themed Bay Area company I can register a domain name behind a load balancer, issue a new cert, kickoff a VM to host it internally all in the same day without any approvals... so long as it is below a certain scale suitable for testing, skunkworks projects, etc. Approvals and meetings only become necessary if I want to deploy a production service, a large-scale service, or both.

Requests for a new repo or Confluence space are fulfilled same day and give me complete admin control over it. I can kickoff custom OS builds and generation of installation images via a self-service portal. I can create new email-enabled LDAP groups via self-service. I decide if the group itself is self-add or not, etc. Anyone else in the company can do the same. Many other things are as simple as direct manager approval.

You don't have to put up with bureaucratic nonsense, it just happens to be common in corporate America where management doesn't trust the peons to make decisions. Or perhaps where everything is driven by division P&L so no one wants to be responsible for spending money outside their fiefdom?

I prefer an environment where individuals have responsibility and yet where we accept mistakes will be made. As long as you learn from a mistake and don't continuously repeat it there is no need for a new process in response to it.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#169

Interesting that this is so complicated in a big Bay Area tech company. At a fruit-themed Bay Area company I can register a domain name behind a load balancer, issue a new cert, kickoff a VM to host it internally all in the same day without any approvals... so long as it is below a certain scale suitable for testing, skunkworks projects, etc. Approvals and meetings only become necessary if I want to deploy a producti…

Sometimes the people are paranoid, but what you describe is only possible if the company has spent the time to build that kind of tooling that allows for flexibility for peons while also limiting blast radius.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#170
I see a lot of comments saying to stick it out, etc. But for me, I worked at a fairly Big Co for a year and a half and it really really affected my mental health negatively. The pace the company moved at compared to how much needed to be done created substantial existential dread within myself. I did everything I could to have a good attitude about it, worked the politics of it all, enjoyed side projects and hobbies, etc. But at the end of the day, I think I'm just not built for such a slow moving company so I moved on and have been a lot happier for it.

That being said, to each their own and I know a lot of my coworkers were really happy there.

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