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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

icyfox wrote: post #140
jrochkind1 wrote: post #115

I'd still buy the 14" Pro for the more ports, slower chip for more $ or not. And real function keys instead of a touchbar? They seem to be making weirdly inconsistent choices in the product line. I thought they were going to be getting rid of the touchbar (and maybe adding more ports?) and they were only still in the legacy 13" because it was legacy. But apparently they mean to indefinitely have a 13" Pro with a touc…

I can't figure this one out either. The Air now has the same screen as the MBP 13", same processor, slimmer form factor. The air is also $100 cheaper than the MBP so that's not a justification. The only thing that is different on the specs page is the GPU count 10-cores versus 8. Why keep the 13?

I'm guessing they can get slightly better sustained performance out of the 13" Pro than the Air because it has a fan? But still doesn't really seem to explain it. Unless they want to bring the Touchbar back to the other pros.. which hopefully isn't the case.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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zamalek wrote: post #80
sydthrowaway wrote: post #23

How does the M2 compare to Intel's offerings?

Watt-for-watt, dollar-for-dollar, M1 steamrolls Intel. Intel does claim to currently have the most powerful consumer chip on the planet, if you watts and performance (effectively cooling the thing is a bit of a meme). Note that Apple do not mention AMD. M1 and M2 probably still kick AMD to the dirt on the power efficiency front, but the cost for performance end would be difficult to quantify (and the AMD performance…

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Post by paulmd »

Xeoncross wrote: post #82

I'm not surprised they are keeping the M1 Air alive. That thing is a great price/performance combo in a very light and portable wrapper. It's been $850-$900 multiple times at Costco, Bestbuy or Microcenter. Also, the first computer where getting the upgraded hard drive (512GB or 1TB) really helps with the low ram because of the integration bus they have with the drive for swap. It's fast.

The price increases are a kick in the shins though. 20% more for 18% more performance.

The M1 generation looks to be a bit of an "introductory offer" to get people looking at apple who otherwise wouldn't have... once they have established their mindshare as being a performance leader worth considering over x86, they can raise prices back up.

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Post by samstave »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

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Post by bornfreddy »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #44
api wrote: post #14

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It's worse than that. They're busy turning off their users with dark patterns, terrible UX, ads and spam in the OS, and endless amounts of unnecessary telemetry.

Not to mention, up until a few years ago, most PCs did not come with TPMs, so they can't run Windows 11. And Windows 10 won't get security patches after 2025. I built my computer in 2017, and it's still very capable of running modern games, and in three years it will still be perfectly fine. But I won't be able to run Windows 11 unless I do weird hacks and workarounds, or try to source a TPM that works with my mother…

Yes, Apple would have a difficult job displacing MS, but it seems that MS is set on helping them. I mean, who doesn't want ads on their work computer? /s

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Post by smoldesu »

paulmd wrote: post #50
refulgentis wrote: post #11

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5 years from now people will grok more fundamentally that launching 2 process nodes ahead of Intel via TSMC was the big win. For now, we'll deal with marketing-ese about how "other CPU vendors have to choose between power and performance" from Apple's head of semiconductor engineering, and posts on this page like the one saying Microsoft doesn't care and Apple's about to take over computing.

> 5 years from now people will grok more fundamentally that launching 2 process nodes ahead of Intel via TSMC was the big win. AMD will have process node parity with Apple this year - Zen4 will be on N5P, as will M2. I doubt that alone will be sufficient for x86 to catch up, they have a LOT of ground to make up. (this is, of course, the "small" laptop chip for Apple, the M2 Pro/Max will add more CPU cores and a much…

> When AMD is on 5nm this year, we can re-assess and see whether that was the driving factor, or whether there are design reasons as well.

Quick note: AMD's 5nm offerings will not be using a big.LITTLE configuration, so direct comparison with the M1 would probably not be very accurate for the purposes of comparing power consumption.

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Post by MikusR »

aseipp wrote: post #51
vorpalhex wrote: post #4

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Simply getting functional Windows on ARM would be helpful. The last surface ARM attempt went poorly.

Windows on ARM is basically completely different at this point, it's perfectly functional; they have x64 emulation as of recently and it just uses normal UEFI for booting, just like most other normal laptops. Honestly the emulation is pretty good even if it's not as fast as Rosetta2, and they even now have a new 64-bit Windows ABI and calling convention that allows developers to incrementally port their applications…

It's not as fast as Rosetta2 because M1 is about 2-3 times faster than the Qualcomm Microsoft is using

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Post by imposterr »

caycep wrote: post #158
msh wrote: post #85

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Yes but only one external display plus the build in display.

There was some dock from a 3rd party vendor that let you do more screens, but I can't remember which one...

There are a few. They are able to do this by using something called Display Stream Compression. While it may be find for some, a lot of us would prefer not to have a diminished experience with a compressed stream.

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Post by Shorel »

babypuncher wrote: post #92
threeseed wrote: post #34

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Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

Even if that happens, I'm not sure how much appeal an ARM version of Windows actually has. Right now, the only things keeping me on Windows are Visual Studio and my huge library of legacy software ( ahem video games). Microsoft's x86 emulation on ARM is downright atrocious. A native ARM version of Visual Studio could keep me productive, but I'm not about to spend money on a new computer than runs all my favorite old…

True, at that point Linux becomes very competitive.
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