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Re: The 99 percent

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It is better in Canada, but we have loop holes like the rest of them. Certain countries have tax treaties with Canada that effectively allow a massive decrease in dividend taxes provided that you have "management fees" in those countries. Although you wouldn't qualify for other benefits of being a Canadian company, such as the one time 750k tax free capital gains allowance, or SR&ED or research grants.

Oh, I'm not saying that the Canadian tax system is perfect. Far from it. Just that this specific property -- integration of corporate and personal income taxes -- is a very good thing.

Definitely, in this we are in agreement.

Re: The 99 percent

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I think everyone understands that companies are creating wealth. The question is: who is capturing that created wealth? Right now the scales are heavily skewed toward the 1% capturing a lot more than they traditionally did.

"Capture" is a loaded term. It could be that "the 1%" are simply creating more than their previous share of wealth. Clearly, some of them are looters, but lumping the looters in with the creators does the latter a tremendous disservice. I think both The Economist and the Occupy Wall Street protestors are conflating two distinct groups: those who get rich by creating wealth, and those who get rich by diverting the rev…

>It could be that "the 1%" are simply creating more than their previous share of wealth.

No, the 1% are generally company executives. The company is indeed creating more wealth but right now executives are taking a very large portion of that created wealth and actual workers are getting a very small (relatively) portion.

>those who get rich by creating wealth

Here you probably have in mind people like Zuckerberg, the google guys, etc., but this is a small minority. Most of the guys getting capturing so much wealth are just executives. They're creating wealth cut are they really creating hundreds or thousands of times more wealth than the people actually doing the work?

>to put it charitably, off the political map.

Anything that would actually help is off the map. People want sound-byte fixes. Something you can describe in one sentence. What is actually needed is a multi-pronged approach to encourage the right kind of change. Personally, I would like to see a law that says companies must disclose full compensation for every employee. They don't need to say who gets what but they would need to list each position and what the total comp was for it (this could be made a bit more generic so it's harder to tie to exactly who gets what). The free market works for buying products because we see what the product costs and we see what everyone else charges. With wages it's hard to pin down exactly what market rates are. If this data were forced to be disclosed I think it would strengthen workers' position in negotiation, hopefully driving labor prices up (and hopefully this combined with market competition would force executive salaries down closer to realistic numbers).

And that's just one thing, we would need a great many changes to encourage markets to correct after years of various interest groups doing what ever they can to distort markets in their favor.

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