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Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#161
1) How about a warrant canary? If you do care about privacy, I would appreciate a warrant canary which confirms that you have not been forced to log.

2) How about a family package (I would like to convert my family members but that will add up costs quite a bit)

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Kagi's quite good for general purpose searches, but there's a number of specific queries where it falls down: timezones ("9AM SF in Tokyo") and currency conversions ("100000 JPY in USD") are two big ones for me. It would be great if Kagi could open source the engine that powers these queries, so people could contribute their own features.

That currency conversion query works for me. I've used it a few times the past week.

For some reason it is a hit or miss for me. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#163

I've been using Kagi for about three weeks and the experience has been excellent. I think I reverted to Google maybe twice, and for many searches Kagi has been simply better. Despite all of this, 10 bucks a month is a tough sell to me. I understand the cost structure, and I am not saying that this product is not something worth paying for, because it is. It feels like the golden age of Google, and that's what I've be…

Kagi will likely remain a niche product for those who really care about search quality since it will never be able to catch up to google in convenience or integration, etc. That almost by definition limits maximum addressable market to a small fraction of the population. So it makes sense to price it at a premium, or on a per search basis.

Some power users could in fact be money losers for Kagi even at $10 USD/month so moving to usage billing is probably more likely as it gets greater traction among that crowd.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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> We care deeply about privacy. We will be good stewards of any personal information you share with us (we do not ask for any apart from your email address which can be any email really). We do not log or associate searches with an account, because we do not want or need to. More details in our privacy policy. Is there a way to pay the fee anonymously? I am not interested in linking my search history to my real name,…

"We care deeply about privacy" until we succeed, then we will be bought by, say, Microsoft, which has sucky search engine and then we will write to you a long letter starting with traditional "it was wonderful journey..." but, for now, so long and thanks for all the fish. MS will have all your data plus search history attached, but, no worries, you will get free (for 3 months) pro Linkedin account! And yes, you are g…

> MS will have all your data plus search history attached, but, no worries, you will get free (for 3 months) pro Linkedin account!

This is not possible with Kagi because there is no data/search history to begin with.

In the very unllikely event of Microsoft acquisition tomorrow, Microsoft would get tech and IP, accounts which only have email address, billing tokens for Stripe (as we store no payment details), and no search history as one is not recorded.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anonymous payment is a good idea. Do you use any other service that supports anonymous payments?

In Germany there is a payment provider (viacash) that allows customers to pay in cash at selected retailers. You get a code, it gets scanned in the supermarket, you pay without any requirement for identification and get a confirmation. Big fan of that, but unfortunately only few websites are using it yet.

How would automatic recurring payments be handled with this?

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#166

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

I didn't see it in the FAQ - will Orion be available for other platforms besides Mac, or why only Mac?

I envision Linux next. Windows would be tricky as WebKit is not really up to date on Windows. So we would probably have to resort to a differnt rendering engine. We are long way from this though, that kind of project would probably take 20 people extra.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#167

I would really love to use Kagi, but the only thing holding me back is being able to type in my query from the Safari url/omni/mega/awesome/whatever-it-is-called bar. There are hacks to redirect search engines to Kagi but that adds extra waiting time and from my experience removes the ability to fallback to a different search engine. I know that this behavior is one that Apple forbids changes to and that I could get…

Safari is not very search engine "friendly" and there is no way to change search engine directly.

I recommend giving Orion a try as among other things it is also WebKit and has Kagi built in.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#168

I really like the browser, and Kagi as well is giving much better results than Google. Regarding Orion, is there any built in way to migrate user data (bookmarks/favorites/reading list) automatically from Safari/Firefox/Chrome? Also, scrolling with a mouse on Mac is discrete/jittery rather than interpolated (this seems to be a problem with Safari as well however). Firefox's scrolling is much nicer by comparison with…

> Regarding Orion, is there any built in way to migrate user data (bookmarks/favorites/reading list) automatically from Safari/Firefox/Chrome?

Yes, File -> Import from

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#169

I’ve been using Kagi for about a week and it’s been awesome! Absolutely no complaints so far...except that I still don’t know how to pronounce it. > - How do you pronounce Kagi? > It is Kah-gee, and it means “key” in Japanese. Is that gee with a soft “g”, like the gee in “gee golly”? (An IPA spelling would go a long way here.)

Here is some help :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig4VTr0rt4Q

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

#170

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

I'm happy to pay for my (private) searches, but $10 for my kind of consumption/volume is simply too expensive;

So, i'm hoping for an alternative/smaller payment option where i can pay based on actual consumption as shown on https://kagi.com/pricing

I have been using Kagi for a few months, and i would definitely recommend it, it has great potential!

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