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Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by m348e912 »

godshatter wrote: post #148
m348e912 wrote: post #134

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You bring up some interesting points. I've dabbled with fasting in the past and it seems to be relatively safe and beneficial up to 10 days but there are two mistakes I see people make. Mistake 1: Drinking pure water. Your body does need some specific minerals even when fasting. Cole Robinson, a fasting focused youtuber (who is not for everyone), has shared a Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium, Sodium Bicarbonate & Water r…

Diet sodas get a bad rap and for good reason, but I've been unable to stick with anything other than diet soda long term (though I've tried multiple times). I know that diet sodas can spike blood sugar in some people, but it doesn't break me out of ketosis when fasting. YMMV.

Just my perspective, but I think diet soda certainly breaks a fast. I can see how it could potentially not affect ketosis, but as far as fasting goes, water & minerals are truly the way to go. I will also concede a true "water" fast makes the fast much harder, although I think that's part of the experience. It's not supposed to be easy.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by HanMei_333 »

TimSchumann wrote: post #36
asar wrote: post #22

It's such a shame that there isn't more research in this area. There are so many seemingly wondrous effects on human health that would need thourugh testing. Apart from physiological benefits though, the mental aspect of fasting from my own experience can be quite exciting as well. A 7 day fast was the longest I did so far, but 72h really hit the sweet spot for me. It was like a journey through my mind, I got challen…

I really think a 7 day fast should be 'mandatory reading' as far as life experience goes. You learn a lot about yourself. Also echo the mental clarity side of fasting. The weight loss was great, but how I felt was even better. The crazy thing is, if you can get to 7 days, anything past that is just mental and you can go as long as you have the body fat to sustain the fast, provided you're keeping an eye on your elect…

> The crazy thing is, if you can get to 7 days, anything past that is just mental and you can go as long as you have the body fat to sustain the fast,

It's not that easy. You have to properly substitute electrolytes - sodium, potassium and magnesium. And that is almost impossible without small doses of carbs.

My longest fasting was 42 days. I did 28 days three times before. I'm fasting more or less regularly (once per year) for about 25 years.

Don't do very long fasting without guidance of a doctor. Your heart needs properly balanced electrolytes.

EDIT: I've just seen your other comments here also underlining the need of electrolytes. I still leave my comment here for the other readers ...

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by HanMei_333 »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #58
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #42

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This guy should be dead, his body should have digested himself. How can someone not eat anything by his own will for more than a few days ? (5-7 max) you should pass out. Also in the case that were true, let me be clear: No food intake for multiple days is extremely dangerous for your health, it will upregulate autophagy, apoptosis and will break your mitochondria bioenegetics which will explode your oxidative stress…

18days here and would carried on but had to break it for other reasons. Glutathione possibly needs to be included as this will get low and Choline or Carnitine to remove the brain fog that occurred. Averaged 18kg weight loss over the 18days, never felt so good in my life, like being a teenage male ramped up on Testosterone again, amazingly easy to fall asleep, excellent quality of sleep, vivid dreams which are recall…

18 kg in 18 days is probably a typo. While fasting you never burn that much calories.

2-3 kg per week is a realistic number.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by HanMei_333 »

TimSchumann wrote: post #48
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #42

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This guy should be dead, his body should have digested himself. How can someone not eat anything by his own will for more than a few days ? (5-7 max) you should pass out. Also in the case that were true, let me be clear: No food intake for multiple days is extremely dangerous for your health, it will upregulate autophagy, apoptosis and will break your mitochondria bioenegetics which will explode your oxidative stress…

Not sure why I’d pass out from just not eating, I had plenty of body fat on me for the entirety of the fast. I wasn’t starving myself. Estimating by weight loss my metabolism was still burning well over 2500kcal daily at the end of the fast.

Agreed. Pretty much my numbers as well - around 300 gr weight loss a day.

An example:

A person with 14 % body fat and 74 kg body weight has around 10 kg fat. That is more than enough to go for about 30 days without any calorie intake.

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Post by inawarminister »

icare_1er wrote: post #40
rashthedude wrote: post #37

One more reason to become Muslim.

Religious fasting has little to do with the therapeutic ones. For a start, they are too short and are not even 24h. Second, the idea is usually to binge on cakes everyday at sunset.

I am a Muslim and deny the second. A lot of us do lose weight in the Ramadan, along with our sins.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by TimSchumann »

HanMei_333 wrote: post #163
Terry_Roll wrote: post #58

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18days here and would carried on but had to break it for other reasons. Glutathione possibly needs to be included as this will get low and Choline or Carnitine to remove the brain fog that occurred. Averaged 18kg weight loss over the 18days, never felt so good in my life, like being a teenage male ramped up on Testosterone again, amazingly easy to fall asleep, excellent quality of sleep, vivid dreams which are recall…

18 kg in 18 days is probably a typo. While fasting you never burn that much calories. 2-3 kg per week is a realistic number.

I averaged 1.3 lbs/day for the entire length of my 60 day fast, and the first two weeks were much higher weight loss than usual. I can see 18kg in 18 days depending on what size you are. Of course 2-4kg will be water weight and another 2-4kg will just be stuff that lives in your gut, which is to say you'll gain it right back when you start eating again.

I just rolled into day four of a fast and the delta from two days ago is 3.72 kg.

Most of the weight you lose in the first 3 to 5 days of a fast isn't fat, its stuff in your gut and losing water as you draw down your glycogen stores.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by Terry_Roll »

HanMei_333 wrote: post #163
Terry_Roll wrote: post #58

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18days here and would carried on but had to break it for other reasons. Glutathione possibly needs to be included as this will get low and Choline or Carnitine to remove the brain fog that occurred. Averaged 18kg weight loss over the 18days, never felt so good in my life, like being a teenage male ramped up on Testosterone again, amazingly easy to fall asleep, excellent quality of sleep, vivid dreams which are recall…

18 kg in 18 days is probably a typo. While fasting you never burn that much calories. 2-3 kg per week is a realistic number.

Its not a typo, I did lose that much weight.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by Terry_Roll »

TimSchumann wrote: post #166
HanMei_333 wrote: post #163

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18 kg in 18 days is probably a typo. While fasting you never burn that much calories. 2-3 kg per week is a realistic number.

I averaged 1.3 lbs/day for the entire length of my 60 day fast, and the first two weeks were much higher weight loss than usual. I can see 18kg in 18 days depending on what size you are. Of course 2-4kg will be water weight and another 2-4kg will just be stuff that lives in your gut, which is to say you'll gain it right back when you start eating again. I just rolled into day four of a fast and the delta from two day…

So the water I was drinking I added a pinch of salt to it so I was drinking salty water. Obviously that will increase the Th17 cells but the number of immune cells drop off when you dont eat because generally the immune system attacks some of the food we eat, starch is one of the sugar's it wont attack.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by Fritsdehacker »

itsoktocry wrote: post #103
Fritsdehacker wrote: post #101

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For most males it should be possible to get enough calories and nutrients from just one meal, but I would not say easy. It is far easier with two meals, or maybe a time window of 4 hours. It's probably also better to ease into it. So start with an 8 hour eating window and slowly decrease the window. Getting enough calories and nutrients can be a challenge and is far from easy with the "standard western diet". I would…

> Getting enough calories and nutrients can be a challenge and is far from easy with the "standard western diet". Have you been to a grocery store in the last 100 years? Getting enough calories and nutrients is dead simple, our stores are overflowing with fresh fruit, vegetables, nuts and meat. What is the "standard western diet"?

Under normal circumstances the difficulty with the western diet is getting enough nutrients, but not too much calories.

I meant the combination can be a challenge if your on a narrow time feeding window.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by HanMei_333 »

eixiepia wrote: post #82

Does anyone else also start to experience heart palpitations after 3 or 4 days of fasting? The heart beats are regular but fast and hard. This interferes with sleep and makes it impossible to go beyond those few days, as it just gets worse. I do drink water during the fasts.

Yes, I get heart palpitations too when I don't take electrolytes. You need a certain ratio of sodium, potassium and magnesium. I also recommend drinking at least 200 ml vegetable juice per day. That doesn't kick you out of ketosis or autophagy.

In all medical supervised fasting clinics they don't allow a pure water fasting. A small dose of carb is highly recommended for absorbing and buffering the electrolytes.

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