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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by CRConrad » Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:40 PM UTC

YATA2 wrote: post #160

CRConrad wrote: post #159

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You seem to have got it backwards: When it's done by whites – or actually, anglophone whites – it's not even called immigration, because immigration is bad. When others, i.e. non-anglophone non-whites, do it, that is.

>You seem to have got it backwards Not at all. >When it's done by whites – or actually, anglophone whites – it's not even called immigration It's called "gentrification", and it's bad according to the left. >When others, i.e. non-anglophone non-whites, do it, that is. When non-Whites do it it's openly celebrated, and more is called for. You seem to have got it backwards.

Moving to another country is called "gentrification"? What the fuck are you gibbering about?

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by CRConrad » Tue, May 24, 2022, 7:02 PM UTC

elevaet wrote: post #47

jorl17 wrote: post #16

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Most of my friends are very much employed, pretty smart (they'd get a job pretty much anywhere, probably FAANG, too) and they are either out of the country or want to get out. In general, they want higher salaries (like you mentioned), but there also seems to be a clear disdain for most of the portuguese cultural heritage, to be honest. This might be an ecochamber (I'd put money on it being the case) but most people…

Something interesting that I noticed learning Portuguese many years ago is that the word for "explore" is the same as for "exploit" (explorar). Not that Portugal unique in its exploitative history, but this might speak to the mentality that the Portuguese "explorers" had when they went out into the world making their "great accomplishments".

I'd guess it speaks more to how the pronunciation of different words from an ancient language has in some cases converged -- and in other cases diverged -- over time, in its descendant languages.

If they were even all that different words to begin with. (Never actually learned Latin, just picked up words and phrases here and there.) In a mongrel language, originally Germanic but with massive direct and indirect Latin heritage, one can talk about someone's "daring exploits". Whose? Mainly, IME, those of people like Livingston, Stanley, Richard Burton (not the actor)... Explorers. "Exploits" as a(n English) noun does lead the mind more to thoughts of exploring than exploiting, doesn't it?

So go easy on your explorer-exploiters. The Portuguese ones were at least probably no worse, on average, than everyone else's.

("Verbing weirds language", they say, but it doesn't even need to -- language is plenty weird enough to begin with. All of them, probably. (OK, OK, except possibly Volapük and stuff.))

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by YATA2 » Tue, May 24, 2022, 9:29 PM UTC

CRConrad wrote: post #161

YATA2 wrote: post #160

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>You seem to have got it backwards Not at all. >When it's done by whites – or actually, anglophone whites – it's not even called immigration It's called "gentrification", and it's bad according to the left. >When others, i.e. non-anglophone non-whites, do it, that is. When non-Whites do it it's openly celebrated, and more is called for. You seem to have got it backwards.

Moving to another country is called "gentrification"? What the fuck are you gibbering about?

When white people do it, it's a negative. Keep up. Stop being Europhobic/Anglophobic.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by toddh » Thu, May 26, 2022, 1:23 PM UTC

deanCommie wrote: post #44

dimmke wrote: post #40

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Portugal seriously sucks. The food is bad, and yeah you can see about all there is to see in both Lisboa and Porto in under a week. I was really turned off when I went there in November. I think it's a magnet for this stuff because it's cheaper than the rest of Europe and the government has openly marketed itself to this kind of thing (to the detriment of the citizens, who are being priced out of housing and a lot of…

> The food is bad Dear, your credibility: Goodbye.

If you are from the US the food is different and is regional. The Algarve is very proud of their traditional seafood. If you aren't used to Mackerel and Cod and Sardines it's hard to get used to. As you move north the dishes change.

The bread is awesome everywhere.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by CRConrad » Fri, May 27, 2022, 12:52 AM UTC

YATA2 wrote: post #163

CRConrad wrote: post #161

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Moving to another country is called "gentrification"? What the fuck are you gibbering about?

When white people do it, it's a negative. Keep up. Stop being Europhobic/Anglophobic.

Bullpucky. When white people immigrate, it's perfectly normal. I should know: I've done it not once but twice.

But when white anglophone people do it, it's not only normal, but so extra-chic that they're not even called immigrants but "expats". Pointing out that this is a bit of a silly level of privilege is hardly "Anglophobic". (On the contrary, your claiming that it is comes off as rather like bigoted white Americans wailing that "It's really the white man who's oppressed nowadays" when their privilege is pointed out to them.)

And as a born and bred lifelong European I don't think I'm particularly "Europhobic" either.