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That's 60% marginal rates. Last year I paid 17% of my total income in taxes.
You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc
NY Senate Bill S5474 proposing a universal single payer health plan for NYers
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No, it wouldn't. The European single-payer systems pay half what we do per-capita, factoring in private and public spending in both systems. The US system is wildly cost inefficient. See the chart at https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm
Of course it'll raise tax rates. That money does come from somewhere . The real question is whether employers will raise salaries enough to compensate for the additional taxes, once they're no longer providing insurance as a benefit.
Spoiler: they won’t. They’ll spin not having to pay a premium as a pay raise.
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30% of the US federal budget is healthcare spending. https://www.usaspending.gov/explorer/budget_function And that is only because a ton of people do not actually get healthcare, either because deductibles dissuade them or they do not pass the means testing to get enough subsidies to buy Medicaid or healthcare.gov insurance. And that is because Medicaid severely underpays doctors to the point that if you visit a US c…
Very broad strokes, doctors in the US are overpaid and conservatives legislated Medicare can't negotiate drug prices. Lots of room to drive down costs. Spending is high because of a dysfunctional system driven by profit instead of care. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/03/12/702500408/are-... https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2010.... https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/25/opinion/let-medi…
Both my wife and I agree that if we ever have a kid, we'd encourage him/her to at least consider medicine as his/her profession (assuming that the US healthcare system stays the relatively same). We are NOT the only ones. There are so many doctor friends of ours whose parent(s) are doctors. Our friends also think the same as us (that they'd encourage their kids to consider medicine as a profession).
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You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc
Rent is not tax, what an absurd comment.
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#165Free speech is a self-service right, so the government can just step out of the way and everything is fine. But healthcare requires the government to do a lot. Not doing something equally (like stepping out of the way of free speech) is easier than doing something (like healthcare) equally.
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#16650% of health resources are used in the final 5 years of life. The young should not pay for the healthcare of the elderly. Society should be apportioned into different age categories, and funded separately, with a 'base' tier for all citizens and legal residents, and a higher tier for those with private or employer insurance.
> The young should not pay for the healthcare of the elderly. The same way responsible drivers should not pay for reckless ones? Or responsible homeowners shouldn't pay for reckless ones? The whole idea of insurance is to distribute the costs so that no one has to bear long tail costs alone...
There is no analogue for taxpayer-funded healthcare. There is no practical upper bound on the cost. The over-users will not run out of other people's money. Unless, of course, there are death panels; everyone loves death panels.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
You paid much more than that. A substantial part of your rent is property taxes. I also doubt you included sales taxes in that number. Then there's more esoteric stuff like tariffs, etc
Rent is not tax, what an absurd comment.
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New York is losing population at a breakneck pace. Our government is to blame. I am for single payer to some extent, but if done poorly medical staff (who are already leaving due to pandemic policies) will just pick up and leave. We recently expanded the privileges of nurse practitioners which is great, but two large nursing unions are less than 60 days away from striking.
Citation needed. Every population graph I can find show a small decline over the last few years but it's still above 2000 and they've had population dips before (1970-1980) that then recovered. This comment reads like my in-laws who always talk about how "people can't get out of CA fast enough", um the population numbers say otherwise.
https://united-states.reaproject.org/analysis/comparative-tr...
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Would healthcare overall in e.g New York be equivalent though? In Canada, we have "free" healthcare but literally have no other option so it's the Soviet style mess you'd expect a government monopoly to be. But would this bar paid healthcare? Couldn't people still have health insurance and get private care? Is there something preventing that?
I’m a Canadian living and working in the US and I’d take the Canadian system any day of the week. I think it’s crazy that your access to healthcare is dependent on your employment.
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Would healthcare overall in e.g New York be equivalent though? In Canada, we have "free" healthcare but literally have no other option so it's the Soviet style mess you'd expect a government monopoly to be. But would this bar paid healthcare? Couldn't people still have health insurance and get private care? Is there something preventing that?
You're not supposed to be able to get private healthcare in Canada, but actually there are plenty of fancy clinics that will fix you up on the spot if you have money. It's all hush-hush because those in power are the primary users of that parallel system. It's not a criminal underground but an unregulated mezzanine, yes? Also, in my experience, public healthcare _can_ be quite good, but the quality of service varies…
I did not anticipate that they would grant themselves special kind of access to healthcare. Like I said, very, very naive.