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Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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That is refreshing as most people screaming my body my choice were some of the first demanding forced vaccinations.

> That is refreshing as most people screaming my body my choice were some of the first demanding forced vaccinations. because the two issues are not even remotely linked. You get vaccinated for the community, it's a "bigger than you" problem, it's for "the greater good". Women that want to get an abortion most of the time didn't want the baby they are carrying, they were forced to. So it's reversed: if someone forced…

No because they use the same argument, the child is bigger than "you", or us, it is against the religion that is above "all of us".

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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> That is refreshing as most people screaming my body my choice were some of the first demanding forced vaccinations. because the two issues are not even remotely linked. You get vaccinated for the community, it's a "bigger than you" problem, it's for "the greater good". Women that want to get an abortion most of the time didn't want the baby they are carrying, they were forced to. So it's reversed: if someone forced…

No because they use the same argument, the child is bigger than "you", or us, it is against the religion that is above "all of us".

You're the first person I ever heard use that argument. It's usually about the life of the potential child, not about society at all.

I'm not sure I get the argument either. Is the danger that God grabs his ban hammer and stomps western society because a woman living as part of that society decided to end a pregnancy?

Fwiw: I was against a vaccination requirement for COVID-19, but categorically denying that it might be necessary for another virus is a very dangerous worldview. It's not necessarily a choice an individual can do, because herd immunity is a thing and vaccinations usually don't make you immune to a virus, it usually just improves the odds your immune system has against it.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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As has been said several times: you can't prevent abortions from happening by outlawing them, you only make those that occur less safe

This is the same argument used against gun control.

Come on, there is a qualitative difference between buying an object and a medical procedure

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Only a woman can truly understand what it means to be pregnant, to give birth, to bring a new life into being. A man might have a possessive, proprietary attitude about it, but it's a removed and intellectual understanding at best. A woman understands it from her gut, from her body. To hear men pontificating about how women should behave is ludicro…

> If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Yeah, no. The roles of men and women in reproduction are different, but that doesn't exclude either one from the conversation. The real issue is that before being born, the would-be child is literally feeding on the mother like a parasite. No one should be forced to endure that against their will. That needs to be a voluntary act of sacrifice on…

that situation should not exist. if the father wants a child that the mother does not then it was rape and the father should not get the child either.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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States ought not ban medical procedures which are mainstream in major countries around the world on the basis of religious ideology, but unfortunately that's what's happening in states like Texas. This is a private matter between any individual and their doctor. Of course rich individuals will still be able to fly to countries like UK or Germany to receive mainstream medicine backed by mainstream science.

>on the basis of religious ideology Having read the leaked opinion, it has nothing at all to do with religious ideology, but rather separation of powers. The fact is, Congress should have acted years ago (including most recently under Obama when they had a supermajority) to enshrine abortion rights in federal law since Roe was always on weak ground constitutionally. Also, medical advancements and knowledge have grown…

Of course it didn't spell out religious ideology, just as people claim the civil war wasn't about slavery. If you can cloak your argument in neutral language, it's easier to dismiss the views of the opposition and not be branded a zealot.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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post #149

States ought not ban medical procedures which are mainstream in major countries around the world on the basis of religious ideology, but unfortunately that's what's happening in states like Texas. This is a private matter between any individual and their doctor. Of course rich individuals will still be able to fly to countries like UK or Germany to receive mainstream medicine backed by mainstream science.

>on the basis of religious ideology Having read the leaked opinion, it has nothing at all to do with religious ideology, but rather separation of powers. The fact is, Congress should have acted years ago (including most recently under Obama when they had a supermajority) to enshrine abortion rights in federal law since Roe was always on weak ground constitutionally. Also, medical advancements and knowledge have grown…

> Having read the leaked opinion, it has nothing at all to do with religious ideology, but rather separation of powers.

Then I would ask that you trust people to read a whole sentence.

> States ought not ban medical procedures which are mainstream in major countries around the world on the basis of religious ideology, but unfortunately that's what's happening in states like Texas.

Have you read the GOP platform for Texas?

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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The United State’s abortion laws are far more lax than most first world countries. Many don’t even have at-will abortions, and most are limited to something like 12 weeks - not almost double that.

What countries like Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Germany, France, Italy, South Korea have is the ability to seek abortion in consultation with their doctor. With the loss of federal protection, what the United States has in one of their most populous states is criminal and civil liability for doctors.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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I don't have strong opinions about roe or gay marriage. I do have strong opinions against kritarchy. Right or wrong, I don't like the idea of the Yale law school sharia council overriding the will of the electorate. It may have worked for you in recent history, but as they say, " past performance is not indicative of future results ."

voters are in favour of both --- While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years. Currently, 59% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% say it should be illegal in all or most cases. --- U.S. support for legal same-sex marriage continues to trend upward, now at 70% -- a new high in Gallup's trend si…

Great! Let's do away with bench legislation.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

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If SCOTUS indeed overturns Roe v. Wade, it would be a great day for human dignity and sanctity of innocent lives in the US.

Until the baby is born and then those people so concerned the woman needed to carry it to term are suddenly no where to be found.

Re: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

#170

If SCOTUS indeed overturns Roe v. Wade, it would be a great day for human dignity and sanctity of innocent lives in the US.

>it would be a great day for human dignity and sanctity of innocent lives in the US.

Yes, having a country that forces an 11-year-old to carry a pregnancy to term would be amazing for human dignity.

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