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Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by _-david-_ »

lolinder wrote: post #139
_-david-_ wrote: post #135

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There is governmental censorship and private censorship. People complaining about censorship in the US are complaining about private censorship. I also don't think anybody in the US is saying that the censorship we have here is worse than censorship experience experienced by others. Censorship in India doesn't really impact the average person in the US but the private censorship in the US does.

> Censorship in India doesn't really impact the average person in the US but the private censorship in the US does. There are a couple of commenters here who live in India who would disagree with this idea. Here's one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31127461

Bad stuff happening to people thousands of miles away doesn't seem to impact the average person in the US. I don't see any impact to the average person in the US based on that comment.

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Post by vijaybritto »

joemazerino wrote: post #147

Modi is an oppressive ruler who was originally jailed for beating a cow farmer in broad daylight. I'm glad The Guardian is finally paying attention to oppression outside of the Western sphere.

The genocide of Indian Muslims has begun. The economic cornering process has begun already and there are large scale riots incited by armed extremists who go for processions in Muslim communities and play loud music which have abusive lyrics towards Muslims. They are dancing with weapons in their hands.

This is extremely common now and is a daily occurrence. There will be lots of deaths and even larger scale violence on Muslims in the coming years. It has to be stopped. The ones who are supporting this violence has to be held accountable.

1.https://thewire.in/communalism/gujarat-himmatnagar-ram-navam...

Re: Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by lolinder »

_-david-_ wrote: post #161
lolinder wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Censorship in India doesn't really impact the average person in the US but the private censorship in the US does. There are a couple of commenters here who live in India who would disagree with this idea. Here's one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31127461

Bad stuff happening to people thousands of miles away doesn't seem to impact the average person in the US. I don't see any impact to the average person in the US based on that comment.

Ooh, I misread you completely. My bad. I read your comment as saying that everyday Indians weren't affected by censorship there.

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Post by sofixa »

lostlogin wrote: post #140
gautamdivgi wrote: post #130

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The US doesn’t limit speech. Private platforms are self censoring. It has even upheld the right of citizens to burn the flag [0](reprehensible as it might be in the view of the majority). 0. https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-a...

I’m not sure that burning a flag is as reprehensible an act to everyone - it seems like something that would get people fired up a century ago. I was under the impression that incitement to violence or encouraging suicide was not protected, but I am very far from expert. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex... Edit: Freedom of speech does not include the right: To incite imminent lawless actio…

> To make or distribute obscene materials

That's one of the stupidest ones IMHO. Free speech absolutists harping about how great the US is in that regard forget to mention that speech is okay when it's money, insulting people for their skin colour and a bunch of other edge cases most other developed countries disagree with, but heavens forbid boobs!

Re: Indian lawmaker arrested after tweet criticising Narendra Modi

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Post by yalogin »

amriksohata wrote: post #4

Bit of an odd article, man makes defamatory and false tweet, gets arrested for defamation, cries free speech? Making such a remark is equivalent of calling someone here a nazi etc. Hardly newsworthy

What? Telling a lie and calling names is not worthy of arrest in India? If so it's even more newsworthy :)

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Post by muzaffarpur »

shasts wrote: post #86
danamit wrote: post #12

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I thought it will be different from Twitter and YouTube comments, sad to see Indian IT professionals being part of that too.

Majority of Indians IT professionals or majority who has attended college in India are upper caste folks, the main supporters of current ruling party. So the trend is not surprising. Many of them migrated to West and continue to do the same caste things even in silicon valley. Google the Cisco caste discrimination incident.

I doubt it. On an average around 70% of seats are reserved (affirmative action) for lower caste students. The difference of admission cutoffs is like day and night. I wouldn't be surprise that people from upper caste don't feel particularly well, for being lawfully, indefinite discrimination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India

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Post by 1024core »

MrBlueIncognito wrote: post #158
1024core wrote: post #146

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> If you’re a Muslim living in an illegally-built home and you were _accused_ of being involved in riots, they will bulldoze your life. Just like they did with these Muslims and their Shiva temples: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bulldozer-razes-300-ye...

Demolishing a temple doesn’t justify demolishing Muslim homes. I don’t see what you’re arguing for here. If I demolished a mosque, would I be allowed to selectively demolish the homes of Hindu rioters?

I'm saying that demolishing happens on all sides; you seem to be willfully ignoring that fact. By showing selective outrage you're showing your bias.

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Post by muzaffarpur »

mayankkaizen wrote: post #160
naruvimama wrote: post #125

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The current Modi government is held to a much higher standard than the previous congress dynasty. Freedom of speech is much worse in non BJP states like Tamil Nadu. There is a huge cabal of bureaucracy, media, academia, judiciary and foreign institutions that profited handsomely under the corruption ecosystem built by the congress. They are infuriated by the people's choice of a more honest and a non-dynast like Modi…

Until 2014, BJP was the only democratic party in India which wasn't run by a authoritarian person. Current BJP is now the most authoritarian party where Modi-Shah call the shots. Can you name even a single person who is critical of Modi and still is in BJP? Who opposed ANY decision of Modi government? If you think Gandhi dynasty was corrupt then why Modi wasn't able to put them in jail? Why didn't he press any charge…

Question is, if Modi is culprit, why he is not in jail. Congress was in power for atleast 5 years or so, post Godhara. That's how the country is. There is no rule of law and for sure there was never rule of law for politicians). If you have lived in India, you would know there is no difference in Modi or Congress or anyone else. Politicians are gangsters. Modi has done what congress did early. Congress consolidated Muslim votes at the expense of Hindu sentiments, and Modi has done exactly opposite. He has consolidated Hindu votes at the expanse of Muslim sentiments. They are all same. I wonder how was it possible (I mean where the courage stems from) that supposedly minority group can burn alive hundreds of pilgrims without thinking of consequences. How did kashmiri muslims assumed that there'll be no repercussions of kicking out Hindus from Jammu (oh they didn't leave due to minor inconvenience). The resentment wasn't build in a day(I believe Congress was ruling India in 1990). What did congress government do? Nothing. So to conclude, congress and BJP are equivalent.

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Post by rndgermandude »

FerociousTimes wrote: post #141
bruceb wrote: post #47

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He was gone after not because of proving it false, but because he accused the church of purposefully lying I believe. One could call it not much different but it isn't the exact same as being prosecuted for debunking a "miracle" From wikipedia: he skeptic-rationalist author Sanal Edamaruku proved that the water stemmed from a faulty sewage system, which seeped due to capillary action. However, Edamaruku also accused…

Even though the allegations are indeed defamatory and slanderous in nature, they shouldn't be prosecutable period. The only exception to be made if he divulged very specific details for scams/frauds that perpetuated by certain individuals mentioned by name, then these individuals have every right to sue him and ask for a generous compensation for the damages the defendant inflicted on their reputation and good name b…

You say "baseless accusations" and "ridiculous statements".

I have seen "Christians" do what I can only describe as scamming other people regularly, not just the megachurch guys buying private jets with "donations", but also the Catholic Church selling(!) indulgences and sometimes "monetizing" "miracles". I see how other people might feel these activities are not scams at all, but at least to me, that's how I perceive them. I cannot comment on this particular story, as I am lacking background information, and thus do not want form an opinion without knowing the facts.

Calling the pope "anti-science" isn't that much of a stretch either, from my perspective.

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