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5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

Why is a machine an appropriate analogy to a living body?

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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>...the IMST group saw their systolic blood pressure (the top number) dip nine points on average, a reduction which generally exceeds that achieved by walking 30 minutes a day five days a week. Walking isn't very aerobic. I think you would have to walk/jog up a hill for some sort of meaningful comparison.

> Walking isn't very aerobic.

Depends how much weight is in your pack

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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It's not really cultural appropriation. It's simply false appropriation. Claiming another's works as your own fancy innovation. Claiming another's achievement as yours with no original attribution. This gets you banned in academics.

I wasn't aware that either Hof or Nestor were academics so I'm not sure how it's relevant. As to the accusation that they've stolen an idea, someone should outline their accusation explicitly and then, far more importantly, explain why I should care. As I've pointed out, Patanjali wouldn't (or you can point out why he would, that would be interesting).

> I wasn't aware that either Hof or Nestor were academics so I'm not sure how it's relevant.

Classic Strawman Argument. Sad to see this on HN. I never claimed they were academics. Just that doing this in academics would get you banned.

They are journalists. The century-old Society for Professional Journalists has a simple statement on plagiarism in its Code of Ethics: “Never plagiarize. Always attribute.”

The outline has already been made clear by several posters in this thread.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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It doesn't matter one iota if someone claims it as their own, what matters is the benefit it brings. Do you think Patanjali (or whomever) would be protective of their techniques and trademark it, patent it, and extract wealth for it? If they don't care then neither should anyone else, and perhaps this will help the techniques spread further, which I'm sure Patanjali et al again, would not be against.

no, it does matter. Because once someone has appropriated it, they can block access to the original material. Theft of the commons is one of the enduring themes of capitalism. Could be soft-blocks, i.e. burying links to the original source so no-one finds it, reducing the number of teachers or the ability of those teachers to make a living, etc. Could be harder blocks; say the new company patents it. Files takedown n…

Please note that Patanjali [1] was a sage in ancient India and the author of the Yoga Sutras [2], among other works.

And I find your comment on 'theft of the commons' insightful.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patanjali [2] https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/yogasutr.htm

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Well, maybe. As in: sure, a lot of breathing techniques and sometimes even useful natural remedies are some of the oldest recorded ones if they are coming from "the east", but in the end that corpus of wisdom is mostly a spaghetti mess of helpful and harmful techniques that is really hard to disentangle from cultism, oogie-boogie and autocratic belief systems. There's no shortage of stupidity in eastern "wisdom": htt…

Did an acupuncturist stick a needle too deep?

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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wim-hof is a life saver. I used during my covid battle as well. I had this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybOi4hjZFQ on loop when I was suffering with covid

Thanks for this. My pensioner mother came back from the doctors yesterday with a chest infection, on top of this she has mild bronchitis. I've just sent her this exercises as I'm hoping it might improve her lung health. Although i did send her this one which is a bit easier: https://youtu.be/0BNejY1e9ik But thanks for posting it, I never knew about this method. Just tried it myself and it rocks.

Wow, I can't thank you enough for posting this. I've been struggling with hypertension and anxiety for a very long time. I just tried the beginner exercise and couldn't believe the effect.

Not only could I hold my breath for longer then I was ever able to on my first try but also I felt relaxed and happy at the end of the exercise.

Thank you!!!

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

#168

> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

An extension to that question: Why do people say elevating your heart rate is good in relation to exercise, and bad in relation to cocaine? People frequently say things like "stimulants stress your circulatory system", but so does exercise.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

#170
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The lack of skepticism in this comment section is so depressing.

Rather than post this completely useless comment, why don't you actually contribute by posting why you think this study should be ignored? I think many people in this comment section know from personal experience that breathing is a powerful tool for stress management so this result is intuitive to them.

breathing is a powerful tool for stress management

As is the occasional recreational drug of choice. Heck, a glass of milk before bed can do be a powerful tool for stress management. Same for going to a salon and having someone else wash your hair.

Even when it seems to work for you, you should still be sceptical when you find this stuff in a paper - especially when it is a small study. Especially with stress relief, something can "work" for you but still be completely without scientific merit (no better than a placebo, so no real benefit in telling the general population to do it).

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