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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by ziml77 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:29 PM UTC

klohto wrote: post #58

oefrha wrote: post #17

I just looked into ~/Library/Trial on my main machine (macOS 12.2.1). I got 380MB spread over 584 files (while TFA's author got 300k???). Most if not all of them are related to com.apple.siri.asr.dictation.en_US. Close to 100% of the space is taken up by .fst files, e.g. $ file /path/to/msg-bigG.squeezed_quantized_acceptor.fst /path/to/msg-bigG.squeezed_quantized_acceptor.fst: OpenFst binary FST data, fst type: squee…

Macbook Pro M1 Pro, 12.3, Siri completely disabled as most of the daemons (the ones that are possible) and I also have ~333MB across 303k files.

MBP M1, 12.2, Siri enabled (though I haven't actually used it)

    > du -hs ~/Library/Trial
    2.6M /Users/___/Library/Trial

    > find ~/Library/Trial | wc -l
         160

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by Aperocky » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

gotaquestion wrote: post #148

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

[The machine] will not fulfill its destiny until you let go of the illusion of control. -- Master Oogway.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by cmeacham98 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:38 PM UTC

sjcoles wrote: post #159

gigaflop wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My PC had been fine before the updates (hence not updating until I needed some other thing to work), and I'd never seen Search Indexer pop up in Task Manager in any notable way. something tells me that I might just have a broken version of it, and since Windows Update also looks to be a bit broken, I may just be SOL for the near future. This set of problems may be obviated by actually getting Manjaro to cooperate. It…

Try out Fedora! There's Fedora Rawhide if you want rolling release. I have been using Rawhide (+ mainline, non rc or git, kernel) on my work machine for the past 6 months without issue. If you have to compile a lot of kmods it can be a pain as everything is transitioning to GCC12 but the kernels are still built with GCC11. A container can take care of that though.

I really want to like Fedora - it gets so much right. But: `yum` is the worst package manager I have ever used on linux by far, and that sours the whole experience. I wish I could get "Fedora with pacman/apt instead".

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by caoilte » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:56 PM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #73

caslon wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"One distribution using one package manager is bad when piloted by an incompetent YouTuber who ignores multiple warnings. Therefore, all of free software is bad."

apt deciding it should yeet essential packages is not a new thing and has happened many times to many people.

been using debian derived OSes 22 years and never had any problems. Dual boot Windows has permanently BSODed multiple times and required a reinstall.

You can do stupid things in Linux, but if you stay on the rails (I only upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04 last week) you're fine. Windows will just mess your system up every so often without you even doing anything except installing the updates it tells you to.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by TremendousJudge » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

gotaquestion wrote: post #148

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

What's your point?. That since some software doesn't play nice and doesn't treat its users with respect, we shouldn't value all the software that does? I don't find this agreeable

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by throw10920 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:58 PM UTC

sjg007 wrote: post #113

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

How's the battery life on linux laptops these days?

It varies, like it does for literally every other combination of hardware and software on the market, but mine gets between 8 (light web browsing) and 12 (terminal programming, no web browser running, wifi disabled) hours on a single charge.

For reference, Windows on the same laptop gets about 6 hours while just sitting there.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by arkades » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

rglullis wrote: post #133

sjg007 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's the battery life on linux laptops these days?

Does it really matter?! Are you really that careless with your privacy and your basic freedoms to the point that you make your choices based on the ~battery life~ of your computing device? Sorry to pick on you, but whenever I hear these sorts of questions I realize how shallow people can be, even those who are (supposedly) informed and smart enough to know better. To be worried about the inconvenience of ~shorter bat…

You take a very extreme, all or nothing stance. The rest of us make trade offs.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by AshamedCaptain » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 3:04 PM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #152

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #144

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That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years may still not work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box"). The rule still is to get either a Linux-supported or at least a Linux-popular laptop, even if it's more expensive or doesn't…

> That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years still don't work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box"). I have 5 laptops on linux at home, all but one being from a "pro" line (ie Lenovo thinkpad, HP elitebook, Dell latitude, all…

Any laptop that has a webcam connected to the intel chipset (the IPU) instead of USB UVC is basically unsupported under Linux. Most consumer laptops use the IPU (e.g. IdeaPads, Miix, HP Elites, Surfaces, all Chromebooks, etc. ), while most business lines use much more standarized USB UVC webcams. The reason is cost, as usual. USB UVC is basically a separate device; IPU webcam is much cheaper (processing is done on the intel chipset, you can use a MIPI sensor like on a phone, you don't even have real hw-controlled privacy LED but a software facsimile, etc.).

The IPU3 (Kaby Lake era!) is the only one generation that has been upstreamed, and as of today it only supports 2 types of sensors that were used in a couple Lenovo Miix models. Nothing else! There are some patches floating around for the Surface devices of the era [1], but nothing upstreamed. And of course any newer IPU is out of the question (Intel is now at IPU6).

And it happens that all of these IPU3 webcams that work with upstream kernel are mostly because of the effort of just ONE guy, who is not employed by Intel, and who did not even know C a couple years ago (if you happen to be reading this, kudos to you!).

[1] https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/blob/master/p...

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by 0des » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

rrdharan wrote: post #140

rglullis wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it really matter?! Are you really that careless with your privacy and your basic freedoms to the point that you make your choices based on the ~battery life~ of your computing device? Sorry to pick on you, but whenever I hear these sorts of questions I realize how shallow people can be, even those who are (supposedly) informed and smart enough to know better. To be worried about the inconvenience of ~shorter bat…

1. The marshmallow test has been debunked (just like so many other flashy claims in the social sciences field, the science is questionable and the replication crisis is very real). So using it in a rant about how uninformed people are is itself a laughable irony. 2. Many of us simply do not agree that the use of an Apple computing device impinges on either our privacy or basic freedoms, or (more nuanced) that the mar…

Point 2 is laughable.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by canadaduane » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 3:09 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #20

sdfjkl wrote: post #6

Open source is where you don't have to apply guesswork to find out what a suspicious looking piece of software is doing on your computer.

Indeed, only to learn about all the programming languages, libraries and communication protocols used in the system, and then they might understand what is happening.

The difference here is "[Apple] authorized people who are skilled in the art" vs "anyone skilled in the art" of programming can tell others what it does.