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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by shkkmo »

chefandy wrote: post #82
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

The only 3rd party requests I see on their pages are Google analytics and a CDN'd js lib. Hell yes I'll throw them some cash if they'll keep their core product free for folks who don't use it often/can't afford it. I'd love to see them get rid of google analytics even, but compared to most it's pretty clean. What pisses me off is when someone like a newspaper will start charging AND keep 4 TB of tracking garbage ever…

Subscribing to MDN Plus does not support Open Web Docs, which is the organization that does the funding for creating/managing the content for the free product.

If you want to support the free product, donate directly to Open Web Docs: https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs

Re: MDN Plus

#162

Post by Vinnl »

hk__2 wrote: post #87
_jal wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries? Serious question: do you ask other vendors (Google, Amazon, Wapo, whoever) you use about HR and internal budgeting choices before deciding to do business with them?

> Serious question: do you ask other vendors (Google, Amazon, Wapo, whoever) you use about HR and internal budgeting choices before deciding to do business with them? It’s a very common question when you give money to a non-profit, which Mozilla is.

And that question being common is exactly why many non-profits have focused on reducing "overhead", actually making the organisation less efficient, because having e.g. medical workers do their own administration doesn't get listed as overhead, whereas hiring a secretary does.

With charities in general, it'd be better if people focused on results more, rather than on how resources are being allocated. Luckily, that idea has been gaining more and more traction, e.g. GiveWell.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Vinnl wrote: post #158
dsr_ wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's idealism. We still hope, despite the evidence, that Mozilla can be unadulteratedly good, as long as we only look at the open source side of it. We already know that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook and Oracle are evil.

It's not just the classic "evil" companies though. When you buy a jar of peanut butter, do you demand every cent to be going to production of the jar without overhead? Do you check the peanut butter company's CEO's salary to ensure it's not too high? I sure don't.

But we have a lot of control over the software we use on a daily basis, and there are several capable browsers. I want to use a browser that has a commitment to privacy, is still functional, etc. and Firefox fits the bill for many. If it doesn't, they want to know so they can change it. Food is a little more complicated in that regard. For instance, if you find the "better" brand tastes terrible...well, it's not really a choice.

Re: MDN Plus

#164

Post by peteforde »

duxup wrote: post #103
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

Sad truth is nobody wants to pay for anything and when they can they'll just complain. I think we as internet users are as much a part of the 'you're the product' and 'free for life .. oh never mind' ecosystem because most of the users on the internet won't respond to anything else.

Speak for yourself.

I was signed up within 90 seconds of seeing the announcement. That's not intended to be virtue signalling, just one anecdotal datum - and I'm confident that there are many, many people who feel the gratitude I feel.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by peteforde »

dfabulich wrote: post #84

The only good offering here is available as part of the $10/month "Supporter" plan, a "direct feedback channel to the MDN team." The video describes that as "regular chats with MDN engineers." Shockingly, this isn't even listed as a featured bullet on the plan list. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/plus#subscribe The only bulleted advantages of paying $10/month are, "Early access to new features" and "Pride and jo…

While we all are allowed to have our own reasons for signing up, my reason had exactly nothing to do with unlocking magical paywalled features and everything to do with putting my money where my mouth is to support this incredible resource.

I have personally derived massive value (time, money, effort) from MDN and will do anything I can to help ensure it outlives me and my petty interests.

Re: MDN Plus

#167

Post by chefandy »

shkkmo wrote: post #161
chefandy wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only 3rd party requests I see on their pages are Google analytics and a CDN'd js lib. Hell yes I'll throw them some cash if they'll keep their core product free for folks who don't use it often/can't afford it. I'd love to see them get rid of google analytics even, but compared to most it's pretty clean. What pisses me off is when someone like a newspaper will start charging AND keep 4 TB of tracking garbage ever…

Subscribing to MDN Plus does not support Open Web Docs, which is the organization that does the funding for creating/managing the content for the free product. If you want to support the free product, donate directly to Open Web Docs: https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs

Much appreciated.

Re: MDN Plus

#168

Post by chronogram »

dend wrote: post #63

This is an interesting take on documentation - mainly because I fail to see the value proposition in paying for the functionality provided. Speaking from my own experience: - Notifications. I am not sure that I've ever needed to know when a doc is updated, because if there is anything radical coming on the market (or in a spec proposal), there are other avenues to find out about it. - Collections. That is already a f…

That devdocs as a PWA is really handy, thanks.

Re: MDN Plus

#169

Post by peteforde »

Dear MDN:

Congratulations on the launch. I hope that your best days are ahead.

Thanks, from the bottom of my cynical heart, for the thousands of times you've told me exactly what I needed to know.

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