MIT had an interview with a Putin deepfake a while ago[0].
[0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-deepfake-mit-...
Zelensky video deepfake
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Re: Zelensky video deepfake
#162The quality on this is really awful. Lighting mismatch on the neck, no atmospheric effects, voice sounds robotic, very little movement and it’s unnatural. It’s not even a useful PoC. It’s more like a meme. I think if it actually got some traction in mainstream media - like Marina Ovsyannikova’s fake Twitter account which was quoted by journos, then you could call it a legitimate first.
Back when I used to torture myself by seeing what Trump supporters were up to on Reddit during the 2016 campaign I saw some truly awful fake images get voted up with total credulity. These kind of fakes don't really need to be high quality to catch the kind of people who are susceptible to this kind of propaganda. Doubly so when a handful of gullible users believe it, then tell their friends who tell their friends while those in the network never actually see the original image.
Re: Zelensky video deepfake
#163In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...
Interesting!
By the way, I'm curious about the word "uppges". After running the sentence both through DeepL.com and Google Translate they seem to return the translation "Any message that the resistance should be stated is false" (though DeepL does list "abandoned" and "quit" among many options in the translation result dropdown). Also, after checking out Wiktionary [0]. I see it only lists "to give as a fact; to state" as a translation for the verb.
This is the first time DeepL has failed me in providing a reasonable translation on the first try. Is this usage of "uppges" to mean something analogous to "cease" very rare or old fashioned, and somehow missing from Wiktionary? Would the meaning of that sentence be unambiguous to any native Swede even if they had never seen that message before?
Re: Zelensky video deepfake
#164The quality on this is really awful. Lighting mismatch on the neck, no atmospheric effects, voice sounds robotic, very little movement and it’s unnatural. It’s not even a useful PoC. It’s more like a meme. I think if it actually got some traction in mainstream media - like Marina Ovsyannikova’s fake Twitter account which was quoted by journos, then you could call it a legitimate first.
I don’t know, honestly I felt the opposite way, maybe because I’m not Ukrainian and it’s not my native language. But I found the level of deep fake we can achieve nowadays truly scary. Even if it was a shoddy job, I feel like that’s enough to convince a lot of people, or at least stir confusion
no doubt you're right about deepfake consequences, but i agree with parent, the quality of this particular one is bad.
Re: Zelensky video deepfake
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…
> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz
>> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry,
> That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof.
It's about the strongest evidence possible. Also, I'd think a person who's such a raw contradiction of "Jewish Nazi" would show signs of obvious psychological illness (either as a cause or a symptom, e.g. suicide to help the final solution along).
Add to that the fact that the claim he's a Nazi have all the hallmarks of a lie concocted to fabricate a moral reason for the invasion, by people with a history and strategy for creating such lies, and it's proved false practical sense. It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zelensky is not Nazi, in fact it's even proven beyond most unreasonable doubts.
> A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz
I don't think so. Ctrl-F "nazi" -- zero hits.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the country and it’s nothing like the caricature you just mentioned. It is, though, safe, polite, and friendly. And people are happy to leave other people alone.
90% of the time, you are correct. I like living here because people leave me alone, mostly. That being said, you are absolutely on your own. The hospital struggles, the schools struggle, the roads are awful, and anything remotely related to 'government' is funded just above the point of being dead. And if you do not seem to be 'from here' (read: white, straight, middle- to upper-middle class, or have the right last n…
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Re: Zelensky video deepfake
#167Voice sounds even more unrealistic than the video (source: I'm Ukrainian). No one in Ukraine would believe the audio part of this fake, even if video was perfect. This is a pathetic attempt.
Also, the script (the text that is being read) is written as if the target audience are Russian, not Ukrainian people (because it's based on propaganda narratives that people outside of Russia are not familiar with). This is such a poor fake from every standpoint.
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#168The idea could also be to first post something obviously fake, in order to make everyone think, that their deep fake video tech is not addvanced enough to create really good fakes. Later they post something, where they put in maximum effort to make it seem real, having people think back to the previous fake and think: "Oh but this looks real and they are not able to produce better deep fakes than that other video."
That seems self-defeating via Streisand Effect or at least Cry Wolf effect. Most of the people who’d believe a video saying the opposite of what they’d expect is real have never been aware of deep fakes. And now thanks to this poor deepfake they are aware of deepfakes and are primed to question future videos, even if they seem real.
Good point. Hm, it might be my bubble making me think, that of course people will have heard of usage of AI to fake videos, even if they don't necessarily call them "deep fake" or stuff like that. I wonder how likely it really is, that people have not heard about the idea of videos being fake, involving making people say things they never said and making them look realistic.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
What questions did it raise for you?
How come in Romania (from where I'm from) it is illegal to have a street named after Antonescu (our Bandera counter-part from WW2) while in neighbouring Ukraine it is not? Why aren't they 100% for eliminating their Nazi past from, well, the present?
And yet you do have streets named after Antonescu in Romania:
1) Strada Ion Antonescu https://goo.gl/maps/WsVVsW13Eb9BjnRm9 2) Strada Ion Antonescu https://goo.gl/maps/Fe4Ggh3EPZyF7Z6r8 3) Strada Ion Antonescu https://goo.gl/maps/ANV22wPVDnaoFRVw5 4) Strada Ion Antonescu https://goo.gl/maps/hhN2jDvsiD9eXnVB6 5) Strada Ion Antonescu https://goo.gl/maps/a4gjwkDAzD5VrXj77
Re: Zelensky video deepfake
#170I wonder who is viewing that thinking it's real? It's obviously fake and a bad fake at that.
If you are going to start using deepfakes as part of your campaign you first want to make couple bad ones so people feel good about themselves and trust their ability to spot the fake. Then start drip feeding the actual good material.
Same tactics as with what Internet at large nowdays calls "trolls". The onces that you spot were probably ment to be spotted, so you lower your guard against the actual propaganda that isn't as obvious.