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Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by titanomachy »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #139
ftio wrote: post #18

No no no. Hamburger menus are terrible[0] for navigation, and this is worse. The only user-centric "Pro" listed by the author, namely that users understand its functionality, is totally unsubstantiated, and I think, exactly the opposite of what is true. These kinds of menus are fine as "filtering inspiration", shortcuts for commonly chosen filters on a dataset, but they are not at all OK as general navigation. They h…

I had to read the article a few times to figure out that I was supposed to scroll horizontally. When I did that in Chrome on MacOS, the following happened: - the notification widgets popped out from the right of my screen - The entire center-aligned blocks of text on the page moved over in relation to my scrolling for some reason - The browser navigated "back" - The H scroll bar appeared for a few seconds then went a…

- The entire center-aligned blocks of text on the page moved over in relation to my scrolling for some reason

This one kind of makes sense to me. It's the browser's way of telling you "you're doing the right thing to scroll the whole page over, but there's no content outside of your viewport so we'll just snap you back after we let you peek to see for yourself".

The rest... yeah, it's definitely an overloaded pattern.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by weikju »

layer8 wrote: post #150
seanp2k2 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first time I discovered that "dragging an icon to the trash" was one of the few ways to uninstall an application on Mac, my mind was a bit blown. I was struggling so hard to find an "Add/remove programs" equivalent or an uninstaller.

I believe it’s because that literally just deletes the application file/directory, there’s no hook for application-specific uninstall routines.

there kindof are, though it's very inconsistent. For example, yesterday I installed the AdGuard app, which adds a proxy and some Extensions.. When I finally realized I didn't need it and it was a paid service, and I really just needed the free AdGuard DNS, I dragged the icon to the trash....

And that also prompted me to confirm that it would delete the proxy and the Extensions that were installed.

I remember a few more apps being like that. So there ARE hooks, just not used universally. AND it won't delete personal files or preferences related to the app, which is what users are expecting these days when they delete an app, UNLESS it's an app installed from the App Store, because those store prefs and data in a different folder than regular apps..

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by chadlavi »

ilamont wrote: post #5

When designing medium to large sized menu navigations on the mobile web the default go-to, for some time now, has been hamburger menus. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing Tell it to the many people who have no idea what it means on a mobile device, or increasingly on desktop websites. I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating: Most people are frustrated by modern information tools. According to a 2015…

This is a good point for all of us to remember, but to take it further: folk who don't understand hamburger menus aren't likely to understand that they can horizontally scroll to see more of these sausage links either. If you really really want to make sure everyone knows how it works, just make it a real-deal list of links.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by HWR_14 »

brimble wrote: post #48
ilamont wrote: post #5

When designing medium to large sized menu navigations on the mobile web the default go-to, for some time now, has been hamburger menus. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing Tell it to the many people who have no idea what it means on a mobile device, or increasingly on desktop websites. I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating: Most people are frustrated by modern information tools. According to a 2015…

Firefox and Chrome have proven Apple right, in forcing a top-of-screen menu bar to appear whether the application wants it to or not. This was demonstrated to me recently when my parents couldn't figure out how to print on Windows in Firefox (because there's no standard menu on it—they know "file -> print" just fine) and called me for help. After a moment of confusion on my part as I remembered that FF doesn't have a…

To help your parents, in FireFox simply pressing Alt once conjures the familiar menus (for now). They disappear as soon as they are first used or on first mouse click.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by oblib »

I'm mostly on my desktop PC and I didn't know those were called "sausage links", and never even heard that term before. I did notice that YouTube has them and it was at least a few months before I clicked on one of the links. It was several more months before I realized I could scroll them by clicking and dragging them and that was by accident when I moved my mouse while clicking on one.

I'm not a fan of them. I'd rather have and use a drop down menu. I think they're more intuitive and compact.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by earth_walker »

reaperducer wrote: post #78
ilamont wrote: post #5

When designing medium to large sized menu navigations on the mobile web the default go-to, for some time now, has been hamburger menus. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing Tell it to the many people who have no idea what it means on a mobile device, or increasingly on desktop websites. I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating: Most people are frustrated by modern information tools. According to a 2015…

The problem isn't the mechanics of the hamburger menu, it's that we use an icon to represent it. I've never seen a case where space was so scarce that the icon couldn't be replaced by the word "Menu." Perhaps there is some issue with internationalization, but I've been to restaurants in 30+ countries, and "Menu" seems to be pretty universally-used word.

"Menu" is so overdone. How about we call it "Start"?

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by gbear605 »

gowld wrote: post #45
at_a_remove wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mr. Yuck is green, Mr. Yuck is mean, Mr. Yuck also has the shape of a face absolutely filled with disgust at having put something terrible in his mouth. In short, Mr. Yuck communicates something purely by expression rather than association. The hamburger menu looks like decoration, or a portion of the I Ching. Nothing about three horizontal lines says "I contain options for navigation." Now, were six lines used, with…

It's an iconic representation of a list or menu. You learn it once, and it works everywhere. And it fits on a small screen.

Just this week I was on three different customer calls where I had to explain to a relatively technical user (they use our website on a daily basis for their job) what the hamburger menu in Chrome was. None of them understood that it was a thing that they could click on to get to other options. It's just not intuitive.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by astura »

throwawayben wrote: post #83
the_pwner224 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my favorite shitty example of this is when Android expected everyone to know what a flat square, circle and triangle are supposed to mean What is this referring to? Edit: I'm so used to these buttons that I didn't even realize they were just simple flat shapes. It definitely would be confusing for someone new to Android or for someone who's not good with tech.

The soft buttons on Android: https://i.stack.imgur.com/YKCPp.png

Where is this from? Some sort of skin? I don't have a square at all on my Android phone, a Google Pixel (which I assume is "base" Android). You see recent apps by sliding up.

Also the triangle is only an arrow on my phone and the circle is an oval.

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