Why are they doing this? Windows RT laptops flopped almost a decade ago due to the lack of software, and the landscape hasn't changed all that much AFAIK.
Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad
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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad
#162Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…
My Thinkpad E14 Gen3 is quiet most of the time. My T470p is boiling my hands and the fan is constantly whirring (I still like it :)). But I agree, Apples MacBook is of a different kind. The only time I heard the fan was when playing Metro Exodus and when I ran cinebench :). My MacBook Pro outperforms every other computer in my possession. But I'm still interested in this Thinkpad, because I'm not too happy with macOS…
I've got a 6th gen X1 carbon and under windows the thing has the fan on high all the time. Switched to Linux (mint) and I went a couple months before I heard the fan, doing all the same things. I don't know what windows is doing these days but it isn't doing it for me, the end user.
Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad
#163How about they announce ThinkPads with a decent keyboard for a change? :-(
ThnikPads have propably the best keyboards around, definitly the best laptop keyboards I ever used.
I honestly thought this to be true years ago. I recently bought a MacBook and am completely sold on their keypads. Wouldn't be happy if that was my desktop keyboard but for a laptop it's the best out there.
Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad
#164Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…
FWIW, I switched from X270 to X13 Gen2 AMD (5850U, 32GB) recently and the difference has been night-and-day - even just web browsing on X270 caused audible noise, while X13G2A is practically completely silent unless I do something very demanding. So maybe look into T14s Gen2 AMD (which may be pretty similar to X13 Gen2 since they share the HW maintenance manual). But YMMV of course, and I have no experience of M1.
Have a T14s Gen1, can confirm that compared to the T470 it replaced it's lighter and quieter under load.
I wouldn't do image editing on anything in the line but for dev work the T14 has been great.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better. I don't think that's how space works.
A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.
A lot of people on this thread seem to think one way is better than the other, but I'm happy with the market being a mixture of devices. I prefer wider and shorter screens because I always have multiple things on screen at once and want to see them all - but I appreciate other people work differently.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's not only about arm vs x86. I have a work provided Thinkpad and work provided Macbook Pro (with Skylake CPU) and I prefer to work on the Macbook for the same reason. It's completely silent 99% of the time, whereas Thinkpad has fans blazing 99% of the time and getting very hot. When I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software, ta…
Apple also sets up very different fan curves from most of the PC industry. They won't turn on the fan until it hits 95 C. This keeps it quiet but it affects performance and maybe longevity.
Also worth noting that most vendors have a way to adjust the fan curves. Sometimes right in the bios, often times through an external utility.
I recall at one point there was someone doing some work getting the Legion Fan Control app working for non-Legion Lenovos, but I cannot for the life of me find the link now.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less wo…
Why do you think they aren't? There's a massive gaming on Linux movement which is only going up, and Chromebooks are outselling Apple Macs. Most main OEMs sell Linux-compatible devices, that come with Linux preinstalled.
So when we say 'Linux' we're now talking about 'Chromebooks' with ChromeOS.
Not only they defeated the purpose of someone else's point on getting rid of 'closed source' and 'spyware' controlled by Google, it is already at risk of ending up getting replaced by Fuchsia but may still be called 'ChromeOS' and it won't be based on Linux. That is my bet on this decade.
I still don't see any evidence of Windows being challenged by any Linux Desktop distro other than being used in WSL2. That is it.
Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad
#168I will definitely wait for the next generation for this product. I am still not convinced MS and Lenovo will support ARM long-term.
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#169>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…
> This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price.
This was also true at times after Apple switched to Intel — for example, around the time Apple went SSD-only they were considerably cheaper _and_ faster than the competition who were either shipping HDDs or using slower low-end SSDs using HDD-optimized interfaces. The main confound has been that they weren't selling crappy but super cheap machines or large laptops, so you could find products in those classes which were faster (at twice the weight / half the battery life) or much cheaper and a lot of people would make comparisons for things which were really in different classes.
The difference now is that we've hit the point where it's easier to do those side-by-side comparisons because everyone is using SSDs, solid case designs with decent thermals, etc. so there isn't an obvious confound like weight or build quality to complicate the comparisons.
Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad
#170Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…
My Thinkpad E14 Gen3 is quiet most of the time. My T470p is boiling my hands and the fan is constantly whirring (I still like it :)). But I agree, Apples MacBook is of a different kind. The only time I heard the fan was when playing Metro Exodus and when I ran cinebench :). My MacBook Pro outperforms every other computer in my possession. But I'm still interested in this Thinkpad, because I'm not too happy with macOS…
Btw, how is E-series doing for you? I've had X and T for last 20 years and I wouldn't've thought about getting E. I've thought of them as too fragile to lug around. Years ago I broke one early 14" Yoga plastic bottom just packing it too tightly so I've stayed with T's and X's.