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Why jump to state-sponsored? This would be the exact right time for anyone ideologicaly opposed to the protest's motivations to hack donor data.
Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. I'm liberal, but the far left jumping to call protests an act of " insurrection " makes me want to warn you that this is an extreme characterization that will only further polarize us. We have to stop this nonsense. It's like when those on the far left call for an end of free speec…
You're ignoring what I wrote entirely. We're not calling it an insurrection because it's a protest. We're calling it an insurrection because it's a protest with the express stated goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government.
Prove to me this effort is centralized and not some loon with zero say-so that a broadcast company quoted in a video to incense people and increase engagement. This is a protest with loads of people, and however much you want to distillate them into a caricature, they're ultimately acting independently and can withdraw their support. That is to say, because some few individuals may have said some extreme thing, doesn't mean that the whole condone that message or the intention.
Just like not everyone in a protest is black block.
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being objective here: - 90 percent of Canada's truckers are vaccinated, so why are you using working class as a substitute for protestor, then using that to call this class warfare? - Don't you think working class people will care most about this list? The people with the most time to scour lists and make angry tweets probably most likely aren't UHNW individuals... - Don't you see the irony is claiming authoritariani…
> then assigning morality based on party orientation? Somehow painting the right as working class victims, and the left as upper class aggressors? Actually you read that into that based on your own biases. I was deliberate _not_ to do this specifically. The establishment media and government mouthpieces, both left and right, have demonized the shit out of this protest and painted them as nazis, terrorists or any othe…
I don't get this...
You're saying it's my bias that the protestors are right leaning, and therefore the attackers are left?
Isn't that just an open fact? You omitting it doesn't make it not true...
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
#164As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…
I thought these protests were negatively affecting working class neighborhoods as well by honking horns during the night? I’m not holding a strong opinion on the subject but it’s kind of silly bias to compare this to blm with your phrasing. Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds of years, so the truckers going through troubling times for 2 years doesn’t really justify the comparison.
Your right to peacefully protest isn't supposed to depend on anyone else's opinion of how legitimate the cause you're protesting for is.
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
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You live in Austin and donated to support protests in Canada? I’m curious about that - why are you actively getting involved in another country?
Because I'm sympathetic to their plight. I'm a class traitor frankly. My whole family works in jobs like this that have been impacted. One of my old co-founders was a 24 big-rig truck mechanic and his dad is being put out of business by the California CARB restrictions. But aside from the specifics, I find it odd that people are decrying cross-national donations of money to causes. Were similar complaints made about…
"Ninety percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US" I think in many ways, geographically and culturally, they're closer to Americans than they are to each other. Not that Canadians see it that way.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I thought these protests were negatively affecting working class neighborhoods as well by honking horns during the night? Truckers aren't burning down neighborhoods or looting small business right now. Yet a good chunk of Americans had no problem with all that US 2 years ago, in the middle of a freaking pandemic. But honking is now where people draw the line? > Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds…
Uhhh it’s definitely less valid? Truckers are complaining about vaccine passports, blm was complaining about being killed by police officers.
No post body was provided.
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. I'm liberal, but the far left jumping to call protests an act of " insurrection " makes me want to warn you that this is an extreme characterization that will only further polarize us. We have to stop this nonsense. It's like when those on the far left call for an end of free speec…
Why is it a far left position to call out what protest leaders stated in their memorandum of understanding?
Because that's not reality. No democracy is going to be overthrown. It's an extreme characterization, and it's wearing down our ability to fight the actual important battles [1].
You can say that there are radical elements within the protest that are anti-Canadian, white supremacist, etc., but to throw around the term insurrection so lightly and characterize the whole movement that way draws very harsh lines that are hard to walk back. I guarantee that you'll find friends and allies on both sides of most issues, yet we're worked up to the point that we're ready to start jailing one another.
The far left are crying wolf way too loudly and often, and it's going to bite come election time. The moderates are not going to listen anymore.
[1] Surveillance and freedom of speech, EARN IT Act, algorithmic manipulation, etc.
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
#168As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…
Is this about vaccines or worker's rights?
Its about the fringe right being angry.
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean, they don't have strategies? Billy clubs, steel toe boots, rubber bullets, pepper spray and tear gas on day 1. Haul the truckers out of their cabs, flanked by SWAT troopers with assault weapons. Drag 'em out by their hair. They've got tons of practice doing that already. Why did the police wait for an injunction this time? Why did it take weeks to secure that injunction?
Quite a few of the goon quad types you describe are more interested in their personal freedom than beating people up it seems based on watching the Glasnost-esque live feeds from Ottawa etc This has been quite a problem for the ruling classes
The police are highly Conservative. When "the people" represent points to the left of the government, the police state is activated. When "the people" represent points to the right of the government, it's policing by consent. It's not always a problem for the ruling class. Folks on the right complain about being persecuted, seemingly oblivious to how they've supported the persecution of their political enemies throughout history. It's a bit tedious.
And, for what it's worth, I support the rights of the truckers to protest. When they're blocking highways, it's civil disobedience, and they're subject to arrest. I just wish other protesters were treated so well.
Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack
#170As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…
I thought these protests were negatively affecting working class neighborhoods as well by honking horns during the night? I’m not holding a strong opinion on the subject but it’s kind of silly bias to compare this to blm with your phrasing. Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds of years, so the truckers going through troubling times for 2 years doesn’t really justify the comparison.
No person protesting during the BLM riots had "gone through much worse for hundreds of years." The truckers had personally experienced the thing they are protesting against (or would be affected by it going forward).