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GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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> Without knowing what was collected how can they prove it was deleted? They don't need to know what data was collected. GDPR requires you to track all data and mark where you got it from, so the companies are legally required to track this for you, they should already have a switch where they can delete this data at the notice of the user, so they should have no problems honouring such a request from the government.…

What you're saying is literally illogical in the case of IAB acting as an intermediary... Not sure you know what you're talking about in this case. The entire point of the original article is that the user's data is being fed through via IAB to tracking companies. This isn't a normal GDPR situation where the user's data directly is being stored in a way that's accessible to the user as well. Obviously in that scenari…

If you keep data about a person in the EU that data is protected by GDPR regardless where or how you got it, having an intermediary doesn't matter.

> how will the Council know if the end-tracking companies deleted their data?

That doesn't matter, all they need is to ask the companies and the companies to say that they deleted the data. That is how everything else works with GDPR. When you ask a company to delete your data you don't know the company deleted it, they could still store it but keep it hidden etc. The government asking this is exactly the same.

If it later comes up that companies has a lot of data about users that they can't explain how they got, or that traces back to this case where they said they deleted it, then those companies will get huge fines. Open violations of laws where there is no question that the company knew they were breaking it are a very different case from companies toeing the line, the fines would get much higher.

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post #142

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People don't care about a lot of things. Mainly because they don't understand them, or don't know about them: climate change, cancerous substances, plastic waste, homeless people, illegal whaling, domestic cats killing singing birds, sewing winter clothing or properly managing their savings. That is why we have subject matter experts providing guidance for people in a world too complex to grasp or even care about eve…

> Advertising companies are ruining the internet for everyone, some people are just too unaware to realise it. Sounds like projection. Though I'd agree that most internet users don't like ads, what's true is that most internet users don't like paying for things. Using YouTube as an example, the most popular site on the internet, the vast majority of people do not pay for YouTube premium even though it's available. At…

I think the point is that megacorps' business structure is way too complex for anyone to actually understand. Why is Gmail free? It makes money for Google, that part is clear, but I have no idea how exactly. I'm not even sure they can measure it exactly.

Those companies have transformed the internet, and its users, by offering services for free, in exchange for user data. We have raised an entire generation (two, maybe?) of people taking that model for granted, nicely illustrated by completely ad-dependent YouTube superstars.

Of course, we cannot simply ban all advertising and start charging for everything. But I'm of the firm opinion that, in order to go forward, we have to leave this business model behind, as humanity. The only way to achieve this is by making it unattractive via legislation.

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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post #142

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People don't care about a lot of things. Mainly because they don't understand them, or don't know about them: climate change, cancerous substances, plastic waste, homeless people, illegal whaling, domestic cats killing singing birds, sewing winter clothing or properly managing their savings. That is why we have subject matter experts providing guidance for people in a world too complex to grasp or even care about eve…

> Advertising companies are ruining the internet for everyone, some people are just too unaware to realise it. Sounds like projection. Though I'd agree that most internet users don't like ads, what's true is that most internet users don't like paying for things. Using YouTube as an example, the most popular site on the internet, the vast majority of people do not pay for YouTube premium even though it's available. At…

A lot of content on the internet isn't worth paying for. Taking your YT Premium example, I'd say over half the content on there is garbage clickbait that is only viable because of ads - it doesn't actually provide enough value to the viewer (and often completely wastes their time) but the current system rewards that because by the time the viewer realizes that it's already too late and they've been paid for their ad impression.

The problem with YT Premium specifically is that it still requires a Google account, agreeing to their "privacy" policy and provides no guarantee that Google isn't still going to stalk you.

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My favorite part is: > All data collected through the TCF must now be deleted by the more than 1,000 companies that pay IAB Europe to use the TCF. This includes Google’s, Amazon’s and Microsoft’s online advertising businesses. It's not just that they need to find new ways to screw users. It's that since they screwed users, they also must lose their ill-gained data. Which will probably be a nice deterrent against them…

How are they screwing users? By showing them relevant ads?

Countless articles and media pieces over the years on the plethora of unethical ways our data gets sold, resold and abused and still you ask what's wrong...

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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post #54

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A former employer in the adtech space did audit that the ads were only including vendors from the list, but I don't know how many of our competitors did the same.

How were you auditing where the data went for advertisers that lost the auction though?

We were on the advertiser side of the equation - we just wouldn't bid on european IPs with ads that hadn't yet been audited or failed the audit.

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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Some crazy figures here: The maximum fine for such a breach is 4% of the company's global revenue. Microsoft, in 2021, turned over $168Bn. Google turned over $181.69Bn. Amazon turned over a staggering $457.96. Between them they had a combined turnover of $807.65Bn, making them liable for a fine of up to $32.3Bn per year (assuming revenue is flat and they all get hit for the maximum penalty and don't do any kind of da…

IAB Europe is the entity being fined, not their participating partners. The linked PDF says their fine is 250k euros, which is "proportionate to the infringment" and less than the maximum.

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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post #99

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> Collecting and selling digital data is not a legitimate business enterprise. According to who, you? > It’s spyware. How is it spying when the people are freely giving away their data? > If no one wants to pay for your product, the market has spoken. Too bad. Very true, however it's not clear how a truism about something else relates to the topic? Was this supposed to be persuasive about collecting digital data? > W…

> How is it spying when the people are freely giving away their data? The ruling has proved that no, people are not freely giving away their data. One of the infringing issues is that the system "Fails to properly request consent."

When consent is enforced by a system that can't be bypassed via dark patterns such as Apple's App Tracking Transparency, the actual opt-in rate is around 4%, suggesting that when given a proper choice users don't actually want to give away their data.

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't care about a lot of things. Mainly because they don't understand them, or don't know about them: climate change, cancerous substances, plastic waste, homeless people, illegal whaling, domestic cats killing singing birds, sewing winter clothing or properly managing their savings. That is why we have subject matter experts providing guidance for people in a world too complex to grasp or even care about eve…

> Advertising companies are ruining the internet for everyone, some people are just too unaware to realise it. Sounds like projection. Though I'd agree that most internet users don't like ads, what's true is that most internet users don't like paying for things. Using YouTube as an example, the most popular site on the internet, the vast majority of people do not pay for YouTube premium even though it's available. At…

There is not much that would be lost if Youtube ceased to exist, either. People are wasting hours on this platform that could be spend better in many ways.

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

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> Advertising companies are ruining the internet for everyone, some people are just too unaware to realise it. Sounds like projection. Though I'd agree that most internet users don't like ads, what's true is that most internet users don't like paying for things. Using YouTube as an example, the most popular site on the internet, the vast majority of people do not pay for YouTube premium even though it's available. At…

There is not much that would be lost if Youtube ceased to exist, either. People are wasting hours on this platform that could be spend better in many ways.

That's only your opinion. There are billions who disagree. At the end of the day no one is forcing you to use YouTube.

Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful

#170

A new job opportunity has come up :) https://iabeurope.eu/blog/want-to-join-the-iab-europe-team-n...

I could apply as a data deletion specialist.

I'll do it for cheaper by dousing the servers in gasoline and throwing a match. Nuking it from orbit is the only way to be sure as they say.
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