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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by sneak »

gorjusborg wrote: post #159
jonaustin wrote: post #139

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This 'low-res' comment makes no sense, I'll never go back to 1080p, but 2256x1504 is plenty IMO for text (I live in a CLI all day pretty much).

Especially on a 13" screen. I have an XPS 13 with a 4k screen and I never use it at native resolution undocked because I'd need a magnifying glass to read anything on it.

You're always using it at native resolution, you're just adjusting your renderer settings.

Nobody's saying your fonts should be tiny. I'm saying they should be rendered in high resolution.

I have the same computer and display. I run it at 4k native but nothing is small, no magnifying glass required.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by duck »

imiric wrote: post #154
gorjusborg wrote: post #151

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Are you talking about personal testimonials, or published data? If it's published data, mind sharing a link?

It was a recent thread here on HN. Let me see if I can find it... This comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 Some of these issues could be subjective, and I shouldn't decide based on that single report alone, but it was enough reason to reconsider the purchase, especially since, like I said, I really don't need a new machine.

I would say all that is subjective regarding what they specified as "build quality". I'll add my own take to it - I got mine early last month and haven't noticed any of those. That said, I do think the battery is the weak spot, but I think part of that is on the OS side (I'm running Pop!OS).

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by cptskippy »

vaylian wrote: post #152
imiric wrote: post #147

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From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. This comment from here actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 I'd like to support their cause, but like you, I have way too many machines that already work well enough, that I can't justify another purchase unless it would offer a substantial improvement over my current setup (old ThinkPads). Plus I really can't function without a Tr…

> From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. Sources please. That's news to me.

Yeah, the cited source doesn't rea mentioned build quality. It's mostly software bugs, muffled speakers and fan noise.

None of that is build quality.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by stormbrew »

imiric wrote: post #147
ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality. This comment from here actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29807585 I'd like to support their cause, but like you, I have way too many machines that already work well enough, that I can't justify another purchase unless it would offer a substantial improvement over my current setup (old ThinkPads). Plus I really can't function without a Tr…

> From reports I've read the Framework laptop has poor build quality.

I'm gonna be really honest here and say that people have a very distorted subjective idea of what a 'sturdy laptop' is like. A lot of marketing money has been spent to make people think the only way to have a strong object is for it to be made of a rigid metal or glass material, so people go "oh my god the lid can FLEX this thing will break if I drop it!" but that's not at all how things work.

The truth is you can't really just guess at whether a thing will survive falling or whatever by looking at or touching it. The only thing that tells you anything really is actual experience and/or testing.

(personally, I think my framework laptop feels plenty sturdy for all the subjective anecdata that's worth, it's just not designed in a way that's trying to scream at you "you can run it over with a truck and it will work perfectly")

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by ad8e »

I checked the keyboard debouncing logic [0] and it was fine. Some keyboards from other manufacturers, notably Lenovo Thinkpads, have absurd debouncing algorithms that scramble keys or add delays, so it's good to see Framework has a correct solution.

[0]: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController/blob...

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by gorjusborg »

smasher164 wrote: post #114
TallonRain wrote: post #96

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I'm curious what the build quality is like. I've heard some complaints about QA and reliability issues with the hardware, but I don't know anyone in person who owns one of these devices. What has your experience been like?

I haven't had any hardware issues tbh. The only thing I would say is that the fans kick in pretty loud when doing anything remotely intensive. Even battery life has been fine, compared to my old Macbook Air. I've had to put in some work configuring drivers, since they're so new that they haven't landed in the distros yet. But NixOS makes that easy, so that's about it.

Same here. I own two Framework machines and haven't had any issues so far.

I also own an M1 air without any issues, but there was a class action lawsuit claiming that people were getting inordinate numbers of cracked screens (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-m1-macbook-cracked-s...).

I haven't noticed inordinate fan noise running windows 10.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by sydney6 »

bestouff wrote: post #104
sydney6 wrote: post #93

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I can imagine that the power draw in S3 could come from having (replacable) DDR Memory instead of (mostly soldered) LP-DDR Memory. edit: typo.

The problem is that current Intel laptops don't use S3 anymore, they use S0ix a.k.a. "modern standby", an abomination where the CPU doesn't really sleep and the battery drains fast. Dell, Lenovo, HP etc. all have the same problem.

I have a Thinkpad X1 from 2018 and by default it came with S0ix enabled and Lenovo later on added the S3 sleep state option through a BIOS update, called "Linux compatibility something".. Before that, one had to manually edit the DSD table to get rid of this evil burning-sleeping-laptop-in-backpack-feature called S0ix.

Does the Framework Laptop, or other popular models from the other manfacturers you mentioned, not have a S3 sleep state option these days, i.e. S0ix only?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by joelthelion »

ohazi wrote: post #124

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go. I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I h…

Sell your Thinkpads and buy one of their laptops?
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