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FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by Nextgrid »

kube-system wrote: post #135
devwastaken wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they also do this for ID's, and for voter ID's. It's specifically created to prevent people whom don't have only 1 permanent address,with paper billing, being able to live their daily lives. I had to go to a local county courthouse 4 times to get a "realid" and to renew a driver's license. I had to call all sorts of people to get printed statements sent to me. It's incredibly ridiculous, I would call it complete…

The point is to authenticate residency, and while it’s not a great system, there also isn’t any better alternatives.

But given how easy it is to foil, I don't understand what it "authenticates".

If you wanted to truly authenticate residency or at the very least prove that someone has access to the mailbox, sending them a one-time auth code per mail would be a better idea rather than relying on third-party services where people may use paperless billing for convenience.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by dragonwriter »

cpitman wrote: post #95

I had another version of this at the DMV. They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you, which wasn't going to work because I do paperless billing for everything. So I printed them out and tri-folded them as if it had been in an envelope. People in front of me in line got turned away for using printed bills, but mine worked just fine.

> They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you,

What state? Certainly, that's neither in the Federal REAL ID requirements (more stringent than most preexisting state requirements) nor most states implementation of REAL ID (which can be narrower than what REAL ID allows.)

E.g., California, for REAL ID, requires documents (not necessarily bills, though those are among the things explicitly on the list of acceptable documents) that are printed (not necessarily mailed) and show the physical address.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by QuercusMax »

xur17 wrote: post #89
tombert wrote: post #32

I really hate dealing with my printer (or any printer for that matter), so I make pretty liberal use of my drawing tablet at this point. I import the PDF into Krita, use the ballpoint pen brush, and sign. I export to PNG, then use an imagemagick script to rotate it some random number between 1-3 degrees, and add noise onto it to look like a scan. It's a pain, but it's still less annoying than dealing with a printer.

I have a png of my signature, and I just paste it into the pdf, and submit that. Haven't run into a complaint yet, and I don't have to print anything.

When we were buying a house back in 2009 (before electronic document signatures, which are the most amazing thing ever compared with the old way) we had to sign zillions of different pieces of paperwork going back and forth while making offers and so on. I was doing most of this during the day from the office, and all the paperwork had to be signed by both me and my wife.

So what I'd do was take the PDF, paste in my wife's signature, print it out, sign it myself, then fax it over. Never had any problems.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by junon »

lelandfe wrote: post #85

Hey Gitlab, could you consider adding the following CSS so that README images don't break out of their containers? Having to horizontally scroll to see this image is brutal. .md img { max-width: 100%; height: auto; } I think that goes here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/55a4cc5a53903250...

Just zoom out of course. Silly users!

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by function_seven »

trimbo wrote: post #157
function_seven wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a couple months ago I had a couple of forms rejected with a note “needs wet signature” They were for a 401(k) plan I was updating RMD choices. I got the PDF form from their site, filled it out in Preview, pasted my signature PNG, and used an app on my phone to fax it(!) to their number. Got rejected. Had to actually print the damn things and sign them with a pen, scan them again with my phone’s camera, and re-fa…

Vanguard? They're ridiculous with this. It's a huge pain with trusts.

SavingsPlus. They handle California's retirement programs.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by cdcarter »

yason wrote: post #156
kube-system wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to authenticate residency, and while it’s not a great system, there also isn’t any better alternatives.

When you move to a new state, I suppose you don't fill in a bunch of forms to register yourself as a resident in the state then? So that when DMV and other institutions ask for residency they could just check back in the states records (or have you bring a copy of the state's residency certificate) ? The state surely must know how to tax you, and thus they need to know who you are and that you're a resident in the st…

In the US, no, you don't need to fill out any forms to register yourself as a resident. The closest is probably moving your drivers license registration, which many people wait years to do after moving. Other than that, you generally prove residency by showing (as GP mentioned) bills mailed to you, or a copy of your lease.

You're responsible for filing your own state taxes based on when/how/where you worked.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by H8crilA »

z3t4 wrote: post #88
throwawayffffas wrote: post #81

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I don't know where you are at, but I know for a fact that a scan of a signed document is binding in the EU. As far as I understand it doesn't even have to be a scanned document, you can sing a digital document by adding an image of your signature or just using your finger and a touchscreen. In the US from what I read[1] the situation is pretty much the same a scan of a signed document is binding as well as non crypto…

Even a spoken agreement is a legal binding. But it's always best to get it on paper, and if it's important, also use at least two witnesses.

This.

Generally speaking in most countries the civil law does not specify how the contract is supposed to be made. You can buy from the shop with just a nod of your head. Only some specific agreements have to be written down (and even fewer made in front of the notary).

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

dheera wrote: post #113
cpitman wrote: post #95

I had another version of this at the DMV. They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you, which wasn't going to work because I do paperless billing for everything. So I printed them out and tri-folded them as if it had been in an envelope. People in front of me in line got turned away for using printed bills, but mine worked just fine.

Love this. Also why does the DMV need a proof of residence? What if you live in a van?

In many places in the US it's de-facto illegal to live in a van, in some places it's explicitly illegal. Even if the van is parked on private property it'd still be illegal to be your primary residence due to zoning. There are exceptions for RVs and boats because they have sleeping, cooking and toilet facilities (which are required to be built a certain way).

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by driverdan »

dheera wrote: post #113
cpitman wrote: post #95

I had another version of this at the DMV. They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you, which wasn't going to work because I do paperless billing for everything. So I printed them out and tri-folded them as if it had been in an envelope. People in front of me in line got turned away for using printed bills, but mine worked just fine.

Love this. Also why does the DMV need a proof of residence? What if you live in a van?

If you live in a vehicle/RV it can be hard to prove residence. I've used UPS Store boxes but most places have caught on to that and don't allow it anymore. I've been told you can use a homeless shelter as the residence and a box as a mailing address but haven't tried it myself.
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